Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-28 Thread Sven Krohlas
Hi, [some words about the current Mozilla security bug policy and its "implementation"] Full ACK. Just for an example: some friends of mine (computer science students, not "normal" users) still use Mozilla 1.0 on their machines. They don't upgrade because they don&

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-25 Thread Ben Bucksch
Daniel Veditz wrote: Let's forget about the AOL-burdened past. I--and the Mozilla Foundation, I'm sure--want us to do the right thing now. Yes, I hoped so. That's exactly the reason why I posted this. Can we start over and give the existing policy (as written, not as executed) a try for a milest

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-25 Thread Daniel Veditz
Ben Bucksch wrote: > That's not fair. I wanted to issue warnings, but need the allowance of > the security group, esp. its former owner, which I practically never > got. I tried, IIRC, but ended up thinking that it's futile. Let's forget about the AOL-burdened past. I--and the Mozilla Foundation

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-25 Thread Michael Lefevre
On 2004-03-25, Daniel Veditz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We will be including Firefox and Thunderbird information on the > vulnerabilities page going forward and testing against them. Excellent. Thanks. -- Michael ___ Mozilla-security mailing list [

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-25 Thread Daniel Veditz
Michael Lefevre wrote: > Something of an aside, but there is currently zero information about > security issues in Firefox, which aren't necessarily in sync with those in > Seamonkey (IIRC a fix was put into FF 0.8 which for a security issue which > had been fixed in seamonkey 8 months earlier, but

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-25 Thread Michael Lefevre
On 2004-03-24, Daniel Veditz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Bucksch wrote: > >> I forgot: >> >> * There are currently 36 fixed, hidden bugs. Some of them fixed a >> year ago. > > I will be updating the vulnerabilities page (and unhiding bugs) for the 1.7 > release, I'll make sure to ch

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-25 Thread Brendan Eich
Ben Bucksch wrote: Daniel Veditz wrote: I don't think you've demonstrated problems with the policy but rather that we have to do a better job implementing it. I see. I guess we have differing viewpionts. Given that we ask for secrecy, I think that the policy should *ensure* for outsiders/users

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-25 Thread Ben Bucksch
Daniel Veditz wrote: I don't think you've demonstrated problems with the policy but rather that we have to do a better job implementing it. I see. I guess we have differing viewpionts. Given that we ask for secrecy, I think that the policy should *ensure* for outsiders/users that we're doing the

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-24 Thread Daniel Veditz
Ben Bucksch wrote: > > The policy isn't working. ... > [...] can we use full disclosure now? I don't think you've demonstrated problems with the policy but rather that we have to do a better job implementing it. A *much* better job. > * Public security bug lists [...] > per policy on

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-24 Thread Ben Bucksch
Ben Bucksch wrote: * The known, hidden security bugs are usually *not* being fixed timely (contrary to assertions by Mitch during the policy discussion IIRC). Some critical ones rotted for years until they were driven out. There are currently 59 hidden, unfixed bugs. Th

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-24 Thread Daniel Veditz
Ben Bucksch wrote: > I forgot: > > * There are currently 36 fixed, hidden bugs. Some of them fixed a > year ago. I will be updating the vulnerabilities page (and unhiding bugs) for the 1.7 release, I'll make sure to check the ancient ones too. > * A query for the formerly hidden,

Re: Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-24 Thread Ben Bucksch
I forgot: There are currently 36 fixed, hidden bugs. Some of them fixed a year ago. A query for the formerly hidden, now disclosed bugs

Mozilla security bug policy

2004-03-24 Thread Ben Bucksch
In October 2001, we discussed a security bug policy for mozilla.org, which resulted in the current policy. I was quite unhappy about the policy, with the worst problems listed in the attached post. I also included Mitch's reply. However, the policy very much reflected Netscape's interestes, pr