Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Daniel Jorge Caetano
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:55:22 +, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: >> There is any external device to provide such "initial" byte? >No, not on MSX. >On most MSX machines the value "from the device" is #FF. But there have >been cases reported of other values. The only safe way is to make code that >w

Re: two liners art gallery

2000-04-25 Thread Ricardo Bittencourt Vidigal Leitao
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Laurens Holst wrote: < about nemesis dawn > > By the way, I don't think more than 8 colors are being used... couldn't this > be made for screen 5 (or screen 7)??? I guess it then won't fit in 2 lines > anymore though... Nope. All 32 shades of gray are used, plus dit

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Maarten ter Huurne
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Daniel Jorge Caetano wrote: > >I'm not sure what the standard says. But there are IM2 program on MSX. The > >question is how many and whether they can be modified to use IM1 instead. > > Hummm... What is the way IM2 works? IM1 I know perfectly well, but I don't > know a lo

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Daniel Jorge Caetano
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:30:13 +, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: >> There is no problem, I think. MSX standard is about IM1, right? >I'm not sure what the standard says. But there are IM2 program on MSX. The >question is how many and whether they can be modified to use IM1 instead. Hummm... Wha

Re: two liners art gallery

2000-04-25 Thread Ricardo Bittencourt Vidigal Leitao
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Siebe Berveling wrote: > > Now you may ask me why I delayed for so long the release of the > >new version... The answer is that the current version didn't work in BrMSX > >until the new release 2.5 ;-) > Maybe you should have tried a REAL MSX some time earlier ... > Hint, hin

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Maarten ter Huurne
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Daniel Jorge Caetano wrote: > >For MSX this means that IM2 is not available. Neither is IM0, but that > >was unused anyway. > > There is no problem, I think. MSX standard is about IM1, right? I'm not sure what the standard says. But there are IM2 program on MSX. The quest

Re: Follow-up: Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Daniel Jorge Caetano
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:50:26 +, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: >I read some more: >"The internal I/O registers of the AB180-20 occupy the 64 addresses >between 00h and 3Fh on reset. To avoid conflicts with external devices >these registers can be relocated within the bottom 256 bytes of the I/O >a

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Daniel Jorge Caetano
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:06:05 +, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: >"Not all Z80 interrupt modes are supported. The AB180-20 uses interrupt >mode 2 only. The interrupt mode instructions are treated as NOPs. Z80 >interrupt acknowledge cycles are not generated." >In the chapter out interrupts things bec

interesting C-compiler?

2000-04-25 Thread Patriek Lesparre
Hey all, I'm not sure about the capabilities and shortcomings of any of the currently available C-compilers for MSX, but I stumbled across this: http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ taken from the page: >SDCC is a Freeware , retargettable, optimizing ANSI - C compiler. The >current version targets th

16bit I/O on Z80 explanation (plus a bit about Z380 32 bit I/O)

2000-04-25 Thread Patriek Lesparre
For the people who haven't noticed: Yes, Z80 has 64kB I/O space (16 bit). For "IN A,(n)" and "OUT (n),A" A is used as the upper 8 bit. For "IN r,(C)", "OUT (C),r" and OTI/OTD/OTIR/OTDR, actually BC is used as the I/O address! The reason it's not used much (although I think I remember something

Follow-up: Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Maarten ter Huurne
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: > This may be a serious one: > "The on-chip register addresses are located in the I/O address space from > H to 00FFH (16-bit I/O addresses). In order to access the on-chip I/O > registers (using I/O instruction), the high-order 8 bits of the 16-

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Maarten ter Huurne
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Daniel Jorge Caetano wrote: > On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:59:01 PDT, amnon loeza wrote: > > >Features: > >* Z80, Z180 compatible > >* 20MHz, 20 MIPS > >* 1MB memory, 64k I/O > >* two 16-bit timers > >* MMU > >* add. instructions: TST TSTIO MLT > >The AB181E-20 microprocessor has a

Re: ACE002, Z180, (LPE) Z380, ADVRAM... New MSX...

2000-04-25 Thread Patriek Lesparre
> > I haven't done the exact math, but when you look at the Z380 opcode >tables, > > it seems the instruction set has nearly doubled. And if you take into > > account the enhanced Z80-instructions (16 bit indexing 'n stuff) it's easy > > to get to that number. > >Saying "200% more" means tot tota

Re: Z380, go read the manual (was Re: ACE002, Z180, (LPE) Z380, ADVRAM... New MSX...)

2000-04-25 Thread Patriek Lesparre
> >If you take away all new registers and the new address space of the Z380, > >you would still benefit greatly from the enhanced instructions. They are > >NOT depending on those features! > > I think you are a lazy programmer. (-; I take that as an insult, even with the smiley! :/ I hate laz

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Daniel Jorge Caetano
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:10:05 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Same on Z180. The Z80 already had 64k I/O, when using OUT (C),r or IN >A,(n). >?? Z80 has 256 I/O addresses, not 64k! It only uses the lower byte of the >address >lines to address I/O ports. I don't know about Z180, but my guess >is

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Daniel Jorge Caetano
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:38:46 +0200, Laurens Holst wrote: >> * two 16-bit timers >Z180 has even got an entire RS232 interface built into it!!! This is a good difference. I like the internal RS232 on Z180. Mainly if it works on the speed Ademir told me... (-: >> * MMU >Don't know about that...

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Daniel Jorge Caetano
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:59:01 PDT, amnon loeza wrote: >Features: >* Z80, Z180 compatible >* 20MHz, 20 MIPS >* 1MB memory, 64k I/O >* two 16-bit timers >* MMU >* add. instructions: TST TSTIO MLT >The AB181E-20 microprocessor has an additional fixed math accelerator. >Anyone familiar with this CPU?

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Alex Wulms
] In addition to the recent "CPU discussion", I want to point at the AB180-20 ] microprocessor made by AB-Semicon. ] ] Features: ] * Z80, Z180 compatible ] * 20MHz, 20 MIPS ] * 1MB memory, 64k I/O ] * two 16-bit timers ] * MMU ] * add. instructions: TST TSTIO MLT ] ] The AB181E-20 microprocesso

Re: Z180 vs Z380 (was Re: ACE 002 and ADVRAM...? New MSX?)

2000-04-25 Thread Alex Wulms
]] be rewarding to him. Maybe I'll never know ] if there's more people like me, who dream ] of a music composing tool with support to ] PSG, SCC, MSX-Music, MSX-Audio, Moonsound ] and some other hypothetical music hardware... ] ] And don't say that's not feasible. RicBit ] told me it's feasible,

Re: two liners art gallery

2000-04-25 Thread Siebe Berveling
> Now you may ask me why I delayed for so long the release of the >new version... The answer is that the current version didn't work in BrMSX >until the new release 2.5 ;-) Maybe you should have tried a REAL MSX some time earlier ... Hint, hint, hint. They do also exist . I've got a VG8235 for s

Re: multiple disk drives

2000-04-25 Thread ladroop
This will only work if you have a 8235/00 if you have a 8235/20 there will be only 1 rom, if you remove it you also remove the bios / basic etc. if if you want this it will be easyer to connect a normal 720Kb diskdrive to the rear connector . 8235 can use 720Kb , it can only not be formatted. if

Re: multiple disk drives

2000-04-25 Thread Siebe Berveling
>Holas, > >I have a nms 8235 which has a *whine* 360kb internal diskdrive. This is NMS 8235?? I have VG8235 (/00) .. >no biggy though as i also have an external cannon VF-100 which is 720kb. >The reason of this post? The cannon is both A and B, and the internal Does A: give acces to 360 KB a

RE: multiple disk drives

2000-04-25 Thread Hans-Peter Zeedijk
Hé, good guess! I haven't tried it, but it might just do the trick! It is normal that the ROMS of a 8235 are socketed. I have modified a few 8235 to 720Kb in the past and used the diskroms from a 8250. Hans-Peter -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Na

Extra FDD on a Turbo R

2000-04-25 Thread Hans-Peter Zeedijk
I have send this message before, but nobody replied on it and because I have a little email trouble every now and then, maybe this message didn't get trough. So here it is again: A little while ago I have mailed about an external floppydrive connector that was on my second hand Turbo-R. Somebody

..one medium cost migration path of MSX platform (part 2).

2000-04-25 Thread Leonardo Padial
Laurens, I want exted more and explain right over the concept involving in me Design Achitecture as one FAQ questionarie (part 2): OVER LPE-Z380-V2. Q: What type is the control HW ? A: Have 2 Flash CPLD (2500 PLD Gates equivalent), for reprograming. Q: What HW Architecture have ? A: Equivalen

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Laurens Holst
> > ?? Z80 has 256 I/O addresses, not 64k! It only uses the lower byte of the > > address > > lines to address I/O ports. I don't know about Z180, but my guess > > is that that processor uses 16-bits I/O adressing space (equals 64k) > > I heard that Z80 actually publishes BC on the bus when doing

Re: multiple disk drives

2000-04-25 Thread Jon De Schrijder
Floris 'Tamama' van Gog wrote: > > Holas, > > I have a nms 8235 which has a *whine* 360kb internal diskdrive. This is > no biggy though as i also have an external cannon VF-100 which is 720kb. > The reason of this post? The cannon is both A and B, and the internal > floppy is C. and probably

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Maarten ter Huurne
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Grauw wrote: > > >> * 1MB memory, 64k I/O > > > > Same on Z180. The Z80 already had 64k I/O, when using OUT (C),r or IN > A,(n). > > ?? Z80 has 256 I/O addresses, not 64k! It only uses the lower byte of the > address > lines to address I/O ports. I

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Eric . Boon
Grauw wrote: >> * 1MB memory, 64k I/O > > Same on Z180. The Z80 already had 64k I/O, when using OUT (C),r or IN A,(n). ?? Z80 has 256 I/O addresses, not 64k! It only uses the lower byte of the address lines to address I/O ports. I don't know about Z180, but my guess is that that processor use

Re: AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread Laurens Holst
> In addition to the recent "CPU discussion", I want to point at the AB180-20 > microprocessor made by AB-Semicon. > > Features: > * Z80, Z180 compatible So is Z380. > * 20MHz, 20 MIPS Z180: 33MHz, don't know about MIPS. > * 1MB memory, 64k I/O Same on Z180. The Z80 already had 64k I/O, whe

Re: MSX Talk

2000-04-25 Thread Laurens Holst
> 25/04/00 > > Hi Folks! > > I just wanna tell you about a MSX forum, called MSX Talk, anyone iw welcome > to post any messages there! Sorry. The MSX Mailinglist is a full-fledged job. I even haven't got time to read the comp.sys.msx newsgroup!!! Let go the MSX Talk forum. ~Grauw -- >

Re: two liners art gallery

2000-04-25 Thread Laurens Holst
> > >Why didn't you never showed us "Nemesis Dawn" demo? Don't say that you > > >made it yestarday! > > It was shown in MSX Rio'99! (-; > > The version in the page in not the same version shown in rio'99 > As you may remember , that version had only half of the animation. > The version in the art

Re: 8x8 sprites in BrMSX screen 5

2000-04-25 Thread Laurens Holst
> > Yeah? Well, I still haven't seen 8x8 sprite support in screen 5. And we > > really need it, for GEM development... > > Hey, big fudeba! > I told you once, Daniel told you and also Ricardo told you! > Send e-mails to Ricardo asking for 8x8 sprites in BrMSX SCREEN 5 > until he implements it. Or

Re: ACE002, Z180, (LPE) Z380, ADVRAM... New MSX...

2000-04-25 Thread Laurens Holst
> > >And as I stated above, most new instructions could also have been added to > > >the Z180... They have nothing to do with the extended address range etc. > > > > Yes, you are right. Some. But they are absolutely NOT 200% more than > >Z80 instruction set! > > I haven't done the exact math, bu

RE: multiple disk drives

2000-04-25 Thread Philip
The diskrom of my 8235 is in a socket. I don't know if this is standard, it could be the socket was placed when building in a 720 kb diskdrive. But if it is, you can simply remove the diskrom and the internal drive won't be recognised anymore. Regards, Philip At 10:43 AM 4/25/00 +0200, you wr

AB180-20 Z80,Z180 compatible microprocessor

2000-04-25 Thread amnon loeza
In addition to the recent "CPU discussion", I want to point at the AB180-20 microprocessor made by AB-Semicon. Features: * Z80, Z180 compatible * 20MHz, 20 MIPS * 1MB memory, 64k I/O * two 16-bit timers * MMU * add. instructions: TST TSTIO MLT The AB181E-20 microprocessor has an additional fixe

Re: Coding question

2000-04-25 Thread B. Wijnen
Hi, I shall put some comments in the assembly, if you don't agree with what I say, there's an error in the implementation (or a mistake on my side ;) > I have the following subroutine: > > ld hl,(table) ; load table into hl dynamic start of table: the start address is kept at address table > i

RE: multiple disk drives

2000-04-25 Thread Hans-Peter Zeedijk
I guess that the canon is connected to a floppydrive controller as a cartridge. Each controller (the buid in and the cartridge) are able to to run 2 diskdrives. unfortunatly the internal controller is the first controller. So, if you are able to, hardware, disable the internal controller, the exte

Re: multiple disk drives

2000-04-25 Thread Eric . Boon
Hi all, Floris asked: >I have a nms 8235 which has a *whine* 360kb internal diskdrive. This is >no biggy though as i also have an external cannon VF-100 which is 720kb. >The reason of this post? The cannon is both A and B, and the internal >floppy is C. The external drive has a connector for a