Re: [mb-style] RFC-178: Add VIAF URL relationships

2013-01-22 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Frederik Freso S. Olesen musicbra...@freso.dk wrote: 3. VIAF release? The question that initially came to mind is should we link to release-group or release? That's why I'm particularly interested in the release example, since I've not been able to find a

Re: [mb-style] RFC-178 v2: Add VIAF URL relationships

2013-01-22 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Frederik Freso S. Olesen musicbra...@freso.dk wrote: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-178 Expected expiration: 2012-01-25 VIAF is a project to make libraries across the world talk the same language, much in the same way MusicBrainz is aiming to

Re: [mb-style] RFC-178: Add VIAF URL relationships

2013-01-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Aurélien Mino aurelien.m...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Frederik Freso S. Olesen musicbra...@freso.dk wrote: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-178 Expected expiration: 2012-01-25 VIAF is a project to make libraries across

Re: [mb-style] RFC-178: Add VIAF URL relationships

2013-01-19 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Frederik Freso S. Olesen musicbra...@freso.dk wrote: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-178 Expected expiration: 2012-01-25 VIAF is a project to make libraries across the world talk the same language, much in the same way MusicBraiz is aiming to

Re: [mb-style] RFV STYLE-128: Remove Ozon and Encyclopedisque from the cover art whitelist

2012-07-09 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: Both ozon.ru and encyclopedisque.fr, which were OK when they were added to the cover art whitelist, now watermark

[mb-style] RFV: Add sticker to cover art types

2012-07-02 Thread Aurélien Mino
I've updated definition of sticker on the proposal wiki page following RFC discussion. Wiki: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:murdos/RFC-126 Ticket: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-126 Expiration: 07/07 - Aurélien ___ MusicBrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] RFV STYLE-114: Soundtrack style

2012-06-25 Thread Aurélien Mino
Could someone explain me why we're going away from the former semi-official Soundtrack Title Style, that was normalizing titles? (semi-official because most editors were applying it) - Aurélien On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: This is the RFV for the

Re: [mb-style] RFC-123: Add tray to the cover art types

2012-06-22 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Maurits Meulenbelt maurits.meulenb...@gmail.com wrote: It seems nobody objects to tray, and I like it too. Has anyone ever seen a an image printed on the actual tray instead of the paper behind it? I think it could be tricky to produce for jewel cases but

[mb-style] RFC: Add sticker to cover art types

2012-06-18 Thread Aurélien Mino
I regularly came across scanned stickers, and I was thinking that it could be useful it we had a specific cover art type for that. Examples: - http://coverartarchive.org/release/a3feeef5-531a-49e1-b481-5e28d91618e0/1246477268.jpg -

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add sticker to cover art types

2012-06-18 Thread Aurélien Mino
, Aurélien Mino wrote: I regularly came across scanned stickers, and I was thinking that it could be useful it we had a specific cover art type for that. Examples: - http://coverartarchive.org/release/a3feeef5-531a-49e1-b481-5e28d91618e0/1246477268.jpg - http://coverartarchive.org/release

Re: [mb-style] TuneCore song IDs

2012-04-12 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: Anything which helps to uniquely identify a recording seems valuable to store in a (machine-readable) database field IMO. Probably. But it doesn't belong to the MusicBrainz database IMO. We should stick with our own identifiers

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New Works Type: Poems

2012-03-10 Thread Aurélien Mino
+ 1 - Aurélien On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Lars Arne Beer arne1...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it would be useful for me (and a few others) if there wold be a type of Works for poems, as there are many songs that have a poem as lyrics and there are some recordings with recitations of poems.

Re: [mb-style] RFC-351 auto-cleaning discogs URL

2012-02-07 Thread Aurélien Mino
+1 - Aurélien On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: Hello there, However I think it is overly overkill bureaucracy to make a RFC just for that. If anyone has any comments against auto-cleaning the discogs URL in the following way, please say so. :)

Re: [mb-style] RFC-345: Extend License Relationship to recordings

2011-12-15 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Jim DeLaHunt from.nab...@jdlh.com wrote: Actually, this is not how I interpret the Prefer Specific Relationship Types principle [1]. I think the principle guides the choice between Relationship Types, e.g. between Arranger [2] (more general) and Orchestrator [3]

Re: [mb-style] Confused by Style/Abbreviations

2011-12-14 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:11 AM, StoneyBoh js...@mindless.com wrote: I don't know who wrote that rationale based on internationalization or where it came from. Rather I believe that the abbreviation style came from the pre-NGS philosophy of normalizing the track and title data to produce a

Re: [mb-style] RFC-345: Extend License Relationship to recordings

2011-12-14 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Johannes Weißl jar...@molb.org wrote: However, release level links should always be preferred if possible. For the record, this goes against the Prefer Specific Relationship Types principle [1]. Which means some inconstancies in guidelines if we go that way. -

Re: [mb-style] Genre support

2011-12-13 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Johannes Weißl jar...@molb.org wrote: There are two reasons for the low usage of tags for genre I think. One is that we don't have enough active users [1] [...] [1]

Re: [mb-style] Genre support

2011-12-13 Thread Aurélien Mino
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Johannes Weißl jar...@molb.org wrote: But the link points to a graph that shows Active users. As this graph [2] shows, they are almost identical to the active editors. On the graph, and Active user is either a user who has voted or edited - that's why both

[mb-style] [OT] Re: RFC-VocesNubem: Add SoundCloud relationship

2011-09-23 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 09/23/2011 03:00 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: If you disagree, speak up! Could you please stop using these RFC-VocesNubem, RFC-Ya, ... Either you use a real RFC number, or you just use RFC: Because this is confusing, and *cough* not professional (since I heard this is what MB

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Add songfacts relationship type

2011-09-17 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 09/17/2011 10:37 PM, David Saunders wrote: The only real opposition came in the form of I'm not going to use this, which unfortuantely I am not going to accept as its not constructive and frankly I could personally apply that to anything classical in this databse. Please don't take

Re: [mb-style] Proposing to remove all test data from the live data set

2011-09-14 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 09/14/2011 04:50 PM, Oliver Charles wrote: Hello! I'd like to request that all testing data is removed from the live servers. By test data I'm talking about: * MusicBrainz Test Artists * Associated releases, recordings, labels, release groups and works, that are used only by the artists

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Songfacts relationship type

2011-09-09 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 09/09/2011 09:32 PM, David Saunders wrote: please see: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Songfacts_Relationship_Type +1 Songfacts is a user contributed database concerned with the stories behind the songs I've added this description to the wiki page, so it's possible to quickly know

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Request to Add LyricStatus to lyrics site Whitelist

2011-08-30 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 08/26/2011 06:25 PM, Aurélien Mino wrote: Since I'm off for 3 days, could we postpone the passage date to 31th August 2011? So after Ed G's answer to all questions, I've no strong opposition to this RFC/RFV. If other people want it, so be it. - Aurélien

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Request to Add LyricStatus to lyrics site Whitelist

2011-08-26 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 08/26/2011 02:56 PM, Ed G wrote: Dear Sirs In accordance with the Process for Idea Champions, as a result of a style council member endorsing my RFC Request to Add LyricStatus to lyrics site Whitelist, I have moved the RFC to RFV status. Expected passage date: 2 days (28th August 2011)

Re: [mb-style] Sidebar links

2011-08-24 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 08/24/2011 11:11 PM, Ian McEwen wrote: To be clear here: my understanding of the situation was that last.fm/secondhandsongs are situations like SoundUnwound (disregarding our current ARs relevant to these sites) -- they're links that are likely to appear on every page, or every page where

Re: [mb-style] Arrange on works

2011-08-21 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 08/20/2011 01:27 AM, jesus2099 wrote: I think Arrange on works were allowed too quickly without proper thinking Could you explain me why SACEM, the French copyright collecting agency, shows in its database two different works for song Pour faire une jam, the only difference being that one

Re: [mb-style] RFC-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-07-26 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com a écrit : I propose that the current recording and release group style guidelines are applied to tracks and releases as well. The change would involve removing the track/release section from the wiki, and modifying other sections to mention that they

Re: [mb-style] RFC-327: Featured Artists (attempt 2)

2011-07-21 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/21/2011 03:58 AM, Andii Hughes wrote: Attempt 2. The proposal: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Featured_Artists From introduction: This guideline applies to cases in which one or more artists are featured on a recording or release group by another artist, but not equally as they

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/21/2011 01:20 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: so that your example is theoretical to me :-) Theoretical, like your editing activity on MB since NGS release...? :-) - Aurélien ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list

Re: [mb-style] RFV: 327 Featured Artists

2011-07-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/20/2011 04:53 PM, Andii Hughes wrote: Expected passage date: 23rd of July, 2011 (~2 days) (snip) This covers recordings and release groups *ONLY*. The discussion on this at RFC clarified that the current guidelines only apply to recordings release groups, and that none yet exist for

Re: [mb-style] RFV: 327 Featured Artists

2011-07-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/21/2011 12:33 AM, Andii Hughes wrote: I really don't think we need a whole RFC again... we've already had over a hundred messages, most of which essentially seem to bring up the same point about track titles over and over again. Yes, hundred messages, that's the heart of the issue.

Re: [mb-style] RFC-331: Add CD Baby Relationship Type

2011-07-18 Thread Aurélien Mino
I'm against any new relationship type that move away MusicBrainz from a neutral position regarding music sellers. A project claiming to be the open music encyclopedia can't be a link farm for music shops. MusicBrainz goal is not to be the universal way to find and buy your music. If this

Re: [mb-style] RFC-331: Add CD Baby Relationship Type

2011-07-18 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/18/2011 08:44 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Aurélien Minoa.m...@free.fr wrote: I'm against any new relationship type that move away MusicBrainz from a neutral position regarding music sellers. A project claiming to be the open music encyclopedia

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Allow multiple ISWC codes per musicbrainz Work

2011-07-12 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/11/2011 09:27 PM, Yin Izanami wrote: It may be that a single work isn't supposed to have multiple ISWC codes, but in reality I believe it is the case that many single works do in fact have multiple ISWC codes. I've been searching the ASCAP database

Re: [mb-style] RFC-327: Featured Artists

2011-07-12 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/12/2011 04:45 PM, Andii Hughes wrote: I've written a proposal for handling featured artists post-NGS: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Featured_Artists This deals with the legacy data issue (ws/1 still provides data in pre-NGS format) by retaining the existing guideline for track

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add date fields usage to the Performance AR guidelines

2011-07-11 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/10/2011 04:46 PM, ChurruKa wrote: This is a trivial RFC for changing the guidelines of the Recording-Work performance AR so it encourages people to add the performance dates of live recordings when that information is available:

Re: [mb-style] Use of recording comment

2011-07-06 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 07/07/2011 01:36 AM, Alex Mauer wrote: I for one would move the following to the comment, or in some cases possibly to the work. It’s a pretty big list… * radio/single/album/studio/single/TV/film/acoustic/abridged/extended/long/short/long/revised/alternate/alternative/revised version/edit

Re: [mb-style] iTunes Store: No longer for exclusives?

2011-06-23 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 06/23/2011 02:30 AM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 6/22/2011 7:00 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: There's absolutely no reason to use iTunes as the label. I think there is; if not, you get two different digital media releases which appear to be the same except for the release date and are

Re: [mb-style] RFC-324 v2: Official Website and Discography Entry ARs for Releases/Release Groups

2011-06-14 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 06/14/2011 01:19 PM, Calvin Walton wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 10:29 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: This proposal is to add or change two ARs: * Official Homepage http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Kepstin/Official_Homepage_Relationship_Type_Proposal * Discography Entry

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Extend Official Homepage Relationship Type toReleases

2011-06-03 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 06/03/2011 02:43 PM, Nikki wrote: I think this relationship type you be defined at release-group level only, and this I'm considering vetoing this proposal. I've not seen a good reason why release-group level doesn't qualify. As Calvin asked, are you OK with the discography page one being

Re: [mb-style] RFC-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-02 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 06/02/2011 12:34 AM, Alex Mauer wrote: After some discussion on IRC[1], there seems to be some agreement that it would be useful to have a work-work relationship type to indicate that one work is part of another. This holds especially true for classical works where a piece is often divided

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Extend Official Homepage Relationship Type toReleases

2011-06-01 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 06/01/2011 07:19 PM, Pete Marsh wrote: i think that's sound and probably applies to reviews links too. how do people feel about the reviews relationship going to release level too? In a general way, I'm opposed to have the same relationship defined at both release and release-group level.

[mb-style] RFV: Add Secondhandsongs Relationship Type

2011-05-28 Thread Aurélien Mino
Summary: Addition of a Work-URL relationship type to link works at the Secondhandsongs database. See RFC and proposal wiki for more details: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Secondhandsongs_Relationship_Type The expected passage date for the RFV: 30-05-2011 (2 days) - Aurélien / murdos

Re: [mb-style] Separate works for instrumental version?

2011-05-22 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 05/22/2011 04:41 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: It seems rather silly to have separate works, but it also seems silly that the instrumental versions should get a lyricist relationship if they are linked to the single work. Ideas? What about an instrumental attribute to the performance AR?

Re: [mb-style] Capitalization in NGS

2011-05-22 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 05/22/2011 06:51 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: On 22 May 2011 15:39, SwissChrisswissch...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is a good approach. All Is Full Of Love and all is full of love both are IMHO ridiculous. We had this discussion before: cover graphics (including

Re: [mb-style] Live track style (revisited)

2011-05-22 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 05/02/2011 09:27 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: I like it. On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Nikkiaei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any objections to the following http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Live_Track_Style#Live_Non-Album_Tracks for all live recordings in NGS, except

[mb-style] RFC: Add Secondhandsongs Relationship Type

2011-05-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
This is a proposal [1] to allow linking our works to their matching pages in the Secondhandsongs database. For those who are not aware of it, it's a database dedicated to cover songs (and also samples). It offers interesting information for each work: - composer, lyricist or writer -

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-05-19 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 05/19/2011 08:57 AM, caramel wrote: Jeroen van Veen arranged the orchestrated version to get a four-hands piano version. Arr. AR is at recording level == no work It was planned to add Arranger at work level too after NGS migration, exactly for this situation. See

[mb-style] RFC: Extends Wikipedia Relationship Type to entity Work

2011-05-18 Thread Aurélien Mino
It seems pretty obvious: Wikipedia has a lot of pages about songs that should really be linked on Work level. Any objections? - Aurélien / murdos ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] Band credits vs. individual credits

2011-04-23 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 04/23/2011 07:57 AM, Bill Purosky wrote: I'm going to add and correct the relationships on /Trespass/ by Genesis and I was wondering about how to best reconcile some of the credits. MB: http://musicbrainz.org/release/f0e2a5a8-861f-48d2-8900-2c8ce23444e7.html Album cover:

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Remove EP Style

2011-03-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/20/2011 07:23 AM, Kuno Woudt wrote: My intent is to remove it entirely. Then I'm against this proposal. It's not obvious and superfluous, I had to refer to this guideline a few times while coaching new editors. - Aurélien ___ MusicBrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] Live track style

2011-03-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/20/2011 09:34 AM, Nikki wrote: I don't think we need to make a distinction between recordings used on releases where all the tracks are live, recordings used on releases where some of the tracks are live and non-album tracks, so I thought of a couple of approaches: 1. Just follow the

Re: [mb-style] Extra Title Information vs Recording comment

2011-03-11 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/11/2011 01:23 PM, Alex Y wrote: I don't see how this is a good idea, especially for (instrumental) and related Karaoke-meaning ETI. Wouldn't a release then just list duplicate track names which are actually quite different? This discussion is about recording title, not track title. In

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Bandleader Position Relationship Type

2011-03-11 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/11/2011 08:30 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: This is to announce that I am adopting RFC-270, “Bandleader Position Relationship Type” [1], and to move it to RFC status. This was originally discussed about a year ago.[2] The proposal adds two ARs: The first gives “is the bandleader of” to

Re: [mb-style] Extra Title Information vs Recording comment in NGS

2011-01-12 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 01/12/2011 03:45 PM, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: I don't agree with this. Take for example Talking All That Jazz (Torti's Old School Mix of Edits dub) -- I'd argue that having only Talking All That Jazz in the recording title would cause a lot of confusion. I also think that this change would

Re: [mb-style] Extra Title Information vs Recording comment in NGS

2011-01-12 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 01/12/2011 09:16 PM, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Aurélien Minoa.m...@free.fr wrote: Could you then provide examples of information you're expecting to be added as comment? - album version So I guess this includes instrumental (what you're calling karaoke version

[mb-style] Please

2010-12-30 Thread Aurélien Mino
Brian, Please revert the change you made to the EarliestReleaseRelationshipType [1] whereas the RFV never passed (it was vetoed by me [2]). I seriously hope that you did not make this change knowingly. Please be extremely cautious with wiki changes, guidelines are already complex, they are even

Re: [mb-style] RFC7-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-29 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 12/28/2010 11:38 PM, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Ok, I've add a note about the use of this AR, pre-NGS, per nikki's suggestion. Also, I've removed the remix attribute. I still think it's quite useful to have, but we don't seem to be getting any closer to this passing so long as it stays

Re: [mb-style] RFC-298: Has Cover Art at BandCamp

2010-12-11 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 11/12/2010 10:18, Jason wrote: And lastly, I propose this Comment period runs for 1 week starting 12:01 Saturday (you pick the time zone :) ). What you're proposing is not clear at all. Judging from this mail and the RFC title, I think what you want is adding BandCamp to the white-list of

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Remove banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-03 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/12/2010 17:21, Alex Mauer wrote: There’s also some heading-level formatting changes; are those OK with you? :-p Sure. You can't compare a few formatting changes with the unadvertised removal of a reference to the strongest anti-spam guideline in MB. - Aurélien

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Remove banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-03 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/12/2010 19:44, Alex Mauer wrote: The strongest guideline certainly isn’t very strong then, given that it’s not even an official guideline. I’m told that it’s quite out of date as well. (iTunes now has a preview view for normal browsers, CDbaby now has artist pages, and allmusic have

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Remove banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-02 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 02/12/2010 01:39, Alex Mauer wrote: After discussion on IRC, I have been convinced that the previous versions of this proposal have been far too verbose in describing how editors should “fix” the changes made by the current guideline, and that it would be better for a guideline to simply

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Remove banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-02 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/12/2010 04:16, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Might I suggest we expand the RFC to simply be a rewrite of Misc Guideline entirely? We're already rewriting a good part of it. No. Unless you want to seriously delay the approval of this RFC/RFV. - Aurélien

[mb-style] FYI: Updating Release Artist Style regarding boxset

2010-11-15 Thread Aurélien Mino
I'm going to update the Release Artist Style (since this only a proposal and not an official guideline), to remove the following section: ===I have a boxset in which each disc is by a different artist. Should I set the ReleaseArtist to VariousArtists for all discs?=== No. Each disc should have

Re: [mb-style] RFC5-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-11-11 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 11/11/2010 05:51, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I've made the changes to the Single From Release proposal to handle all the various concerns, I think. Jacobbrett, I'll be using your examples for the other AR, but I didn't think this one needed extras for your #s 7 and 8, as it's pretty clear

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-27 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 27/10/2010 02:39, SwissChris wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.com mailto:f.j.lat...@gmail.com wrote: SwissChris, your thoughts? What should I say? I still think the (frequent) case of one single artist (particularly singer/songwriters) being

Re: [mb-style] RFV4: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-10-19 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 19/10/2010 02:15, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Ok, here's another approach to try... What if we make single from only RG-RG, and supporting release only R-R, and at the same time, make the two ARs totally standalone (ie, neither a subtype of the other)? I admit, I like the simplicity of

Re: [mb-style] RFV4: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-10-19 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Per Starbäck per.starb...@gmail.com a écrit : In any case, if we define a single taken from an album as simply it's a single that has a track on it which was also on album Foo, then it remains true even if the single and the album are released 10 years apart. But preferrably

Re: [mb-style] RFV4: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-10-17 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 17/10/2010 00:49, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I'm still working on the Track From version, and on revising the proposal for Supporting Release, but I think I'm done tweaking the Single From proposed text. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposals/Single_From_Release_Relationship_Type Any

Re: [mb-style] RFV2: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-16 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 16/10/2010 12:53, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2010/10/16 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com mailto:brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:20 PM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com mailto:swissch...@gmail.com wrote: I really think the one

Re: [mb-style] Two Discs or One + Bonus - Now with NGS

2010-10-16 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 16/10/2010 00:24, Simon Austin wrote: I guess that explains The Wall http://test.musicbrainz.org/release-group/f2026101-945b-3d05-9ef4-aa718fc3feef What's the way to fix things like that? Edit the release events to match and ModBot will pick them up, or is it case of adding the disc 2

Re: [mb-style] Two Discs or One + Bonus

2010-10-15 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 15/10/2010 21:12, Simon Austin wrote: On 13/10/2010 22:48, Aurélien Mino wrote: Just for the record, in a NGS perspective it doesn't really matter. There won't be any bonus discs anymore, just 1-disc-releases or 2-discs-releases. How are they converted from the old system

Re: [mb-style] Two Discs or One + Bonus

2010-10-13 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 13/10/2010 21:15, Simon Austin wrote: It's been my understanding that, in MB terms, a bonus disc happens when the primary disc(s) are available both with and without the extra disc(s). For this reason the the bonus disc AR says may be part of a set rather than is part of a set. However,

Re: [mb-style] RFC: 292 VGMdb Relationship Type

2010-10-13 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 12/10/2010 13:16, Pavan Chander wrote: Hello, this is RFC-292 - VGMdb Relationship Type. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:VGMdb_Relationship_Type As many of you know, VGMdb http://vgmdb.netis a community project dedicated to cataloguing the music of videogames and anime. They are an

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-10 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 10/10/2010 00:14, Jeroen Latour wrote: Hi Aurélien, Oops, I forgot to change the example to what SwissChris proposed. Updated now: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Writer_Relationship_Type Still want to veto? (By the way: the linked track has composer ARs for Lennon/McCartney - we

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-09 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 09/10/2010 22:33, Jeroen Latour wrote: Hi everyone, Since all objections seem to be resolved, and multiple +1s were submitted, I am now submitting RFC-111 for RFV. This proposal introduces a new AR type 'Writer', as a superclass of composer and lyricist. This AR type is to be used when it

Re: [mb-style] RFV4: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-09-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 19/09/2010 21:38, Nikki wrote: If the above can't work, and we do need to go with 2 different ARs, it would seem that we then need to figure out the wording for single from album; As for the wording, I would personally leave it as it is and clarify in the description that album

Re: [mb-style] RFV4: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-09-03 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 03/09/2010 09:45, jacobbrett wrote: I'm no sure linking to release groups is a good idea, *because* releases are often re-released. In my opinion, a supporting release (the purpose of which is usually to promote a particular release/re-release/remix release) bears little relevance to

Re: [mb-style] VA Release Group with single artist discs

2010-05-17 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 17/05/2010 02:43, Rob Keeney wrote: Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask this, but I'm still trying to get my brain around Release Groups. Suppose I have a release set that consists of several discs. Each disc may be attributed to a single artist, but each one is different from the

Re: [mb-style] Unique Release name for re-issues

2010-05-01 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 02/05/2010 00:22, Brian Schweitzer wrote: [...] Esp as these will be split to different releases within the same RG in NGS anyhow, it seems backwards to merge them now, only for them to be later re-split, but now with some REs not having the correct release title. On the contrary. When

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-03-25 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 25/03/2010 13:10, Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Aurélien Mino a.m...@free.fr mailto:a.m...@free.fr wrote: On 24/03/2010 13:55, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I definitely think there'd be a benefit to this at the RG-RG level. However, for this AR

Re: [mb-style] Slow down.

2010-03-24 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 14/03/2010 14:55, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Just because it's interesting, before even the argument is made that there's a flood, take a look at the history of the style list, in KB to read... The one big spike is CSGv2. Otherwise, traffic is lower, now and on average, than 3 or 4 years

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-03-19 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 18/03/2010 23:33, Brian Schweitzer wrote: You're referring to the 'AR set' potential here. I'd suggest the same approach as for other Alternative Version ARs; we link to the earliest version of the album. As already said Pavan, the current rule to link to the earliest version is a hack

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Require +1 for RFC text prior to moving to RFV

2010-03-18 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 18/03/2010 20:58, Paul C. Bryan wrote: Problem summary: Style council members want some assurance that each and every RFC has been reviewed and endorsed by at least one other style council member before going to the RFV stage. Proposal summary: Before RFC text qualifies for RFV, another

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-03-18 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 18/03/2010 22:38, Brian Schweitzer wrote: This is RFC-52. Without objection, assuming a seconder, this will move to RFV on 2010-03-25. This is based on http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/?title=Single_From_Album_Relationship_Typeoldid=4641

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Throttling RFCs in the proposal process

2010-03-16 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 16/03/2010 20:45, Paul C. Bryan wrote: 8. Since you have mentioned the code of conduct, it was not my intent to attack anyone or run afoul of the code. If I have come close to violating the code (or have actually violated it!), I request others in the style council confirm this (openly or

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Throttling RFCs in the proposal process

2010-03-16 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 16/03/2010 21:16, Paul C. Bryan wrote: The problem I see is that in the RFC process we have, silence is consent, and with enough RFCs in the queue, there will be silence, not because because people necessarily agree or consent, but because they will be overwhelmed with the sheer volume of

Re: [mb-style] Slow down.

2010-03-09 Thread Aurélien Mino
On 09/03/2010 13:58, Chad Wilson wrote: I personally think the list is being flooded with far too much content/blah to be reviewed in the amounts of time the current RFC/V process allows. This isn't fair. It risks things being swept through the system without proper care and oversight which

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Decommission Member Of Band Relationship as an official style guideline

2009-12-10 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com a écrit : It came to Pavan and my attention tonight that http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Member_Of_Band_Relationship (formerly at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Member_Of_Band_Relationship_Style) is an official style guideline. This would be

Re: [mb-style] Fwd: RFC: Decommission Offisielle Stilretningslinje as an official style guideline

2009-12-10 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com a écrit : This is another official style guideline that isn't actually an official style guideline; it's a proof of concept translated guideline page from 2005; interesting perhaps, but not anything close to up to date, nor an actual

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Has Lyrics at AR

2009-12-10 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com a écrit : Ok, this one's pretty clean and simple, so I've drafted the wikipages for it. The proposal is to create a new AR class (this AR doesn't fit into any of the existing ones ) and the new track-URL/release-URL AR. The

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Decommission Member Of Band Relationship as an official style guideline

2009-12-10 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com a écrit : Isn't this just the point, though? I'm not a native English speaker, but it seems pretty clear to me that was not what you were proposing. To my understanding you were proposing to remove the Official guideline tag from

Re: [mb-style] RFC: SPAs cleanup (attempt 2)

2009-12-07 Thread Aurélien Mino
Some comments on the documentation. On 04/12/2009 21:20, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Ok. I believe this RFC (and the RFV as well, of course) should be further split in pre-NGS and post-NGS, because I don't think it would be a good idea to have people vote (or rather not-veto ;-) ) something

Re: [mb-style] RFV: SPAs cleanup

2009-12-01 Thread Aurélien Mino
Brian Schweitzer wrote: This has been in RFC since September, without anyone seeming to object, Let's say that I still haven't found the time to read this horribly long proposal. so I'm moving it to RFV stage, to expire Dec 3 at 2:30pm EST. I would like to veto just for the purpose of

Re: [mb-style] Release Groups guideline

2009-08-04 Thread Aurélien Mino
Kuno Woudt wrote: * Nothing in the guideline about audiobooks/spoken word. The J K Rowling listing, at the moment, imho is 99% useless in terms of functionality - it looks more like it's being used as a pseduo-artist-release author of book AR, not a functional grouping of quite distinct

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Release Groups guideline

2009-07-31 Thread Aurélien Mino
Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Dear fellow Brainerz, it seems that my earlier mail got lost in the depths of Gmane gateways :( I won't repeat everything I've written in the last mail, you know how it works better than me. So here it goes again: we are now ready to receive comments on the

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Release Groups guideline

2009-07-31 Thread Aurélien Mino
Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Dear fellow Brainerz, it seems that my earlier mail got lost in the depths of Gmane gateways :( I won't repeat everything I've written in the last mail, you know how it works better than me. So here it goes again: we are now ready to receive comments on the

Re: [mb-style] http://www.akuma.de

2009-06-09 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 07:00:12AM -0400, Brian Schweitzer wrote: After all, what harm is there in adding links, so long as the links are actually for

Re: [mb-style] Internet Archive / Live Music Archive, possible url-artist AR?

2009-05-05 Thread Aurélien Mino
Brian Schweitzer wrote: I'm going to be unavailable for most of the next month, so I'm throwing this out as a potential AR, for the moment, rather than RFC it while I'm not around to help with the RFC. :) If there's no objection to it, I'll RFC it at the beginning of next month, when I'm

Re: [mb-style] DiscogsRelationshipType Discogs masters

2009-05-05 Thread Aurélien Mino
- Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net a écrit : On 4/05/2009 7:51 p.m., Aurélien Mino wrote: Hi, As some of you already know, Discogs has recently introduced ([1]) the concept of 'master release' which corresponds to what we name 'release-group'. Since we don't yet have release

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