Re: followups (was Re: mutt and gnupg setup)

2002-08-29 Thread Ryan Sorensen
* Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020829]: > Markus Nißl wrote: > > > > I will do so! Thanks again. > > > > BTW: no "cc:" to my address necessary, I'm subscribed to this > > list for a year now. > > well you're the one who has: > Mail-Followup-To: Markus Nißl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [E

Re: overriding headers - is version info a security hole?

2002-08-29 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 19:44 29 Aug 2002, krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | There are good guys and | there are bad guys. Why make it easier for the bad guys to be bad? Because it makes it easier for the good guys to be good. Misinformation is BAD. It's won't prevent bad guys from hacking you, and it WILL prevent

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Ken Weingold
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002, Peter T. Abplanalp wrote: > you can always try but it has been my experience that these people > don't want to change to anything other than M$. if your boss is still > semi technical this might work; however, if he has gone totally over > to the dark side of management, he

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Charles Cazabon
Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tell your boss you don't have time for reformatting > his %$!@# mails because you have *work* to do! > if he wants you tos end better emails then this > will take *time* and this has to be *paid* for. Better yet, the OP should tell him he won't break hi

Re: all information are security holes

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 23:45]: > Thank you for the flame. It's the first one I've > received since being on this list for less than a day. you are welcome - "Keith"! > +-- On 30082002 01:01:13 +, Sven Guckes uttered: > | * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 20:56]: > | >

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* Peter T. Abplanalp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 23:49]: > > then why help him enjoy that you spend your time fixing up > > your messages to suit the needs of his broken mailer? > > i mean - does he *pay* you for this kind of work? extra? > actually, he does; although, he may not know it. :-

Re: overriding headers - is version info a security hole?

2002-08-29 Thread Peter T. Abplanalp
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 07:44:51PM -0400, krjw wrote: > Thank you for the flame. It's the first one I've received since being > on this list for less than a day. you'll have to excuse sven and you don't really want to antagonize him. he knows a lot about mutt. lighten up. it's all good. btw

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Peter T. Abplanalp
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:37:30AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: > * Peter T. Abplanalp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 23:29]: > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:21:53AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: > > > if your boss behaves stupid and you play along - does that help? > > > who will suffer in the end? exa

Re: overriding headers - is version info a security hole?

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
Thank you for the flame. It's the first one I've received since being on this list for less than a day. +-- On 30082002 01:01:13 +, Sven Guckes uttered: | * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 20:56]: | > As for version numbers, there's nothing wrong with them | > unless they are advertised

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* Peter T. Abplanalp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 23:29]: > On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:21:53AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: > > if your boss behaves stupid and you play along - does that help? > > who will suffer in the end? exactly - both you and your boss. > depends on your point of view. most

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Peter T. Abplanalp
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:21:53AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: > * Sven Guckes wrote: > > the problem is that M$ does not play according to the rules. > > it's time to give up compatibility with them and let them > > feel that they are using bad software. let *them* suffer! > > * Peter T. Abplanal

Re: overriding headers - is version info a security hole?

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* Peter T. Abplanalp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 23:13]: > > * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 20:56]: > > > As for version numbers, there's nothing wrong with them > > > unless they are advertised to potentially malicious users. > > > Assuming a given version of a given MUA has a known s

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* Sven Guckes wrote: > the problem is that M$ does not play according to the rules. > it's time to give up compatibility with them and let them > feel that they are using bad software. let *them* suffer! * Peter T. Abplanalp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 23:08]: > while i agree with your senti

Re: overriding headers - is version info a security hole?

2002-08-29 Thread Peter T. Abplanalp
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:01:13AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: > * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 20:56]: > > As for version numbers, there's nothing wrong with them > > unless they are advertised to potentially malicious users. > > Assuming a given version of a given MUA has a known security

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Peter T. Abplanalp
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 12:55:18AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: > * Michael Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 17:26]: > > At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed. > > Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails. > > So to make him happy, I have developed > > a

Re: overriding headers - is version info a security hole?

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 20:56]: > As for version numbers, there's nothing wrong with them > unless they are advertised to potentially malicious users. > Assuming a given version of a given MUA has a known security > hole, sending a mail via that MUA with a header containing > versio

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* Michael Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 17:26]: > At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed. > Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails. > So to make him happy, I have developed > an attribution string that mimics Outlook. ask him why he is using a ma

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
Doh again. Geeze this is two doh's in one day. Yes you are correct. It does work. I didn't realize that mutt had to be told explicitly about each of the sub-maildirs. *sigh* is it friday yet? Thanks again. krjw. +-- On 29082002 16:20:55 +, Peter T. Abplanalp uttered: | On Thu, Aug 29

Re: ';' tag-prefix function dead in pager mode

2002-08-29 Thread Sven Guckes
* Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 22:17]: > Michael Tatge wrote: > > Patrick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: > >> I am unable while in pager mode to use the tag-prefix (;) > >> operator to perform operations on tag-selected e-mails. > >> Requires changing to the 'index' menu for use. >

Re: Show unread mail

2002-08-29 Thread John Iverson
* On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, John Iverson wrote: > It seems like what is needed is something like a > command in addition to the (The correct command name is .) > I guess you could create a macro to do something close to this > by switching to a non-mailbox folder and then issuing a > "?" to get to

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread Peter T. Abplanalp
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:00:30PM -0400, krjw wrote: > +-- On 29082002 12:16:11 +, darren chamberlain uttered: > | * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 11:57]: > | > | > 1) Firstly, does mutt support or will mutt ever support extended > | > maildirs? I've never seen extended maildirs 'til

Re: ';' tag-prefix function dead in pager mode

2002-08-29 Thread Will Yardley
Michael Tatge wrote: > Patrick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: >> I am unable while in pager mode to use the tag-prefix (;) operator to >> perform operations on tag-selected e-mails. Requires changing to the >> 'index' menu for use. > Yeah, so what? Comeon is that such a hard thing to do? Perhap

followups (was Re: mutt and gnupg setup)

2002-08-29 Thread Will Yardley
Markus Nißl wrote: > > I will do so! Thanks again. > > BTW: no "cc:" to my address necessary, I'm subscribed to this > list for a year now. well you're the one who has: Mail-Followup-To: Markus Nißl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] set. perhaps you want 'subscribe mutt-users' in

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread Will Yardley
krjw wrote: > On 29082002 12:04:04 +, Will Yardley uttered: >> krjw wrote: >>> On 29082002 12:16:11 +, darren chamberlain uttered: >>> * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 11:57]: > 1) Firstly, does mutt support or will mutt ever support extended > maildirs? I've never seen ex

Re: mutt and gnupg setup

2002-08-29 Thread Markus Nißl
Hi David! On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 08:35:31PM -0700, David Ellement wrote: > On 020828, at 22:31:13, Markus Nißl wrote > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 04:48:17PM -0400, David T-G wrote: > > > And the conversion isn't necessary now because you can > > > recognize an old-style message with esc-P [...] >

Re: mutt and gnupg setup

2002-08-29 Thread Markus Nißl
Hey Gregor! On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 11:33:20PM +0200, Gregor Zattler wrote: > Hi Markus, > * Markus Nißl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [27. Aug. 2002]: > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 06:21:52PM +0200, Gregor Zattler wrote: > > > > Well, do I have to use that gpg-2comp in order to use gpg > > > > with mutt? >

Re: mutt and gnupg setup

2002-08-29 Thread Markus Nißl
Hello Justin! On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:06:38PM -0400, Justin R. Miller wrote: > > > > S/MIME? Don't you mean PGP/MIME? > > > > Well, I only copied that part from Justin's tutorial. > > Oops! I will fix that in the revision (when I get it out...) Okay. At the end of your tutorial, you refer

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
+-- On 29082002 16:54:29 +, John P Verel uttered: | | I start vim thusly: set editor ="vim +/^$ +'set nobackup' -c 'normal | o' -c startinsert" This puts me at a new line below the first non | blank line, in insert mode. If you like, simply change 'normal o' to | 'normal i' to omit the addit

Re: Show unread mail

2002-08-29 Thread John Iverson
* On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, John Keniry wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:48:47PM +0200, Martin Man wrote: > > > filename), with mailbox you have to grep for '^Status: O' to > > see which messages are unread, and this could be quite CPU > > intensive, IMHO that's why it's still left out of mutt, wou

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
+-- On 29082002 12:04:04 +, Will Yardley uttered: | krjw wrote: | > +-- On 29082002 12:16:11 +, darren chamberlain uttered: | > | * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 11:57]: | | >>> 1) Firstly, does mutt support or will mutt ever support extended | >>> maildirs? I've never seen extende

Re: overriding headers

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
+-- On 29082002 12:05:50 +, Will Yardley uttered: | krjw wrote: | > | > The my_hdr command is handy, but appears to allow only the addition of | > headers that mutt doesn't already add to mail. From what I've seen over | > the past 2 days of using mutt, if my_hdr is used to add a header that

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread John P Verel
On 08/29/02 12:16 -0400, darren chamberlain wrote: > > 3) [this is a vim question; don't shoot me :)] I've seen mutts start up > > vim as their editor like "vim -c ':0;/^$'" which I understand puts the > > cursor on the first empty line. Any way to place it at the end of the > > file (eg, las

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Aug 29, Michael Herman [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed. > Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails. So to > make him happy, I have developed an attribution string that mimics > Outlook. Yes, I have to do the same. :(

Re: overriding headers

2002-08-29 Thread Will Yardley
krjw wrote: > > The my_hdr command is handy, but appears to allow only the addition of > headers that mutt doesn't already add to mail. From what I've seen over > the past 2 days of using mutt, if my_hdr is used to add a header that > mutt already adds, said header is simply added twice. For ex

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread Will Yardley
krjw wrote: > +-- On 29082002 12:16:11 +, darren chamberlain uttered: > | * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 11:57]: >>> 1) Firstly, does mutt support or will mutt ever support extended >>> maildirs? I've never seen extended maildirs 'till I started using >>> maildrop, but they're kinky.

Re: Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Gary Johnson
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 01:25:54PM -0400, Michael Herman wrote: > How can I tell Mutt not to replace the tabs with > in the pager or as > I'm replying to e-mails? I would like to use a folder-hook if > possible. I don't think mutt's pager is adding those >'s. At least I've never heard of or se

overriding headers

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
Greets once again. The my_hdr command is handy, but appears to allow only the addition of headers that mutt doesn't already add to mail. From what I've seen over the past 2 days of using mutt, if my_hdr is used to add a header that mutt already adds, said header is simply added twice. For examp

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
+-- On 29082002 12:16:11 +, darren chamberlain uttered: | * krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 11:57]: | | > 1) Firstly, does mutt support or will mutt ever support extended | > maildirs? I've never seen extended maildirs 'till I started using | > maildrop, but they're kinky. They allow f

Emulating (gaaack) Outlook attribution

2002-08-29 Thread Michael Herman
At work, I use Linux and have been using Mutt and Sylpheed. Yesterday, my boss complained about the format of my e-mails. So to make him happy, I have developed an attribution string that mimics Outlook. folder-hook $HOME/Mail/Mail-Work/* 'set attribution="\n\n-Original Message-\nFrom: %

Re: ';' tag-prefix function dead in pager mode

2002-08-29 Thread Michael Tatge
Patrick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: > I am unable while in pager mode to use the tag-prefix (;) operator to > perform operations on tag-selected e-mails. Requires changing to the > 'index' menu for use. Yeah, so what? Comeon is that such a hard thing to do? Michael -- "Are [Linux users] lemm

Re: a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread darren chamberlain
* krjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 11:57]: > Greetings, mutts. Yo. > 1) Firstly, does mutt support or will mutt ever support extended > maildirs? I've never seen extended maildirs 'till I started using > maildrop, but they're kinky. They allow for folders-within-folders > which is very han

a number of newbie questions

2002-08-29 Thread krjw
Greetings, mutts. I am new to mutt but old to linux; I've made the mistake of using pine up till now (past, oh, 8 years). Ug. Mutt has shown me the light. Just for the record, I despise pine because of their lack of willingness to support the Maildir format. Slackers, I say, slackers. Anyway

Re: Show unread mail

2002-08-29 Thread John Keniry
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:48:47PM +0200, Martin Man wrote: > filename), with mailbox you have to grep for '^Status: O' to see which > messages are unread, and this could be quite CPU intensive, IMHO that's why it's > still left out of mutt, would be nice to be able to switch it on/off on demand

Re: fcc and reply as in pine

2002-08-29 Thread Richard P. Groenewegen
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 09:22:25AM -0400, darren chamberlain wrote: > Ouch, that's a lot of work. I think this will do it: > > fcc-save-hook . +%O > > The . applies the hook to all messages, and the %O turns into the > before-the-@ part of the recipient address. Cool! I didn't known this (w

';' tag-prefix function dead in pager mode

2002-08-29 Thread Patrick
I am unable while in pager mode to use the tag-prefix (;) operator to perform operations on tag-selected e-mails. Requires changing to the 'index' menu for use. I find no indication of this in the manual or 'man muttrc', other than the description of 'auto_tag' which indicates the 'index menu' m

Re: fcc and reply as in pine

2002-08-29 Thread darren chamberlain
* Richard P. Groenewegen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-29 09:07]: > I have just converted a friend from using pine to mutt. Nice. > But there is still one features he misses and I would feel stupid > saying: `well, this is nog the way we do things in mutt.' I love that game. :) > When he replie

fcc and reply as in pine

2002-08-29 Thread Richard P. Groenewegen
Hi, I have just converted a friend from using pine to mutt. But there is still one features he misses and I would feel stupid saying: `well, this is nog the way we do things in mutt.' When he replies to someguy@somewhere he wants the outgoing email to be saved in =someguy. I thought abou

Re: Show unread mail

2002-08-29 Thread Martin Man
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 11:38:33PM -0700, John Iverson wrote: > * On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Will Yardley wrote: > > > > with mbox, it doesn't show up as having new mail again until > > new new mail arrives. > > So I guess we should consider this a design limitation? well that depends on your point of

Re: TDMA (was Re: Spam filtering software)

2002-08-29 Thread John Buttery
* Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-28 10:15:48 +0100]: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 04:05:57AM -0500, John Buttery wrote: > > Anyway, just out of curiosity, how come you guys aren't using TMDA? > > Just haven't found it yet, or...? > > > Probably because it's useless for quite a number of