Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.09.14 09:29, Will Yardley wrote: Yes, but if you forget to do this, or manually mangle a line, you could end up generating non-compliant text. My point isn't that there aren't editors that are capable of generating the text correctly, but that it's difficult to mutt to know for sure

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-16 Thread Russell Urquhart
Hi again, I got the lock off my mail, so i am back up and running. I still cannot generate a muttdebug file. I have checked and recompiled my versions of mutt. I have started mutt with the -d4 parameter, but still nothing. Thanks again to everyone! Russ On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:08:43PM

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-16 Thread Willy Offermans
Hello Russ, Just to be clear, the following. What does ``mutt -v | grep DEBUG'' give? If the answer is +DEBUG, then ... From man mutt: ``If mutt was complied with +DEBUG log debugging output to ~/.muttdebug0. Level can range from 1-5 and effects verbosity. A value of 2 is recommended.''

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Will Yardley
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:11:57PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 15.09.14 09:29, Will Yardley wrote: Yes, but if you forget to do this, or manually mangle a line, you could end up generating non-compliant text. My point isn't that there aren't editors that are capable of generating

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Mark Filipak
=== Lurk-Mode OFF === Duck and cover! === Lurk-Mode ON === On 2014/9/15 10:09 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 14.09.14 16:29, Will Yardley wrote: The problem, though, is that doing so in a tool like mutt where the editor is (by design) completely divorced from the MUA does make it a lot

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:11:57PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 15.09.14 14:48, Derek Martin wrote: You had to understand how it works, and configure your editor to do it right. Most users do not want to do that, and they should not have to. IIUC, the message is that those users not

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Patrice Levesque
The message is that not everyone has time to become an expert in how e-mail works fundamentally, and not everyone should. In fact, just about no one should. This is what specialization is all about, and like it or not our society has become extremely specialized. No, I'm sorry, the

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-16 Thread Russell Urquhart
Hi Willy, I got the +DEBUG when i ran that command. When i went to my ~ directory, and did the touch command, nothing happened. I too thought i might not have permission, but i have written things to this directory. Does mutt have to be chmod ed to do this? I execute the program, but have