Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-26 Thread Rado Q
=- John Niendorf wrote on Wed 26.Jun'13 at 12:47:03 +0900 -= This is only my point of view. To everyone his own. ;) 1. RTFM is rude. It is usually written by people who seem to feel the need to show that they know more than someone else. Somebody hasn't done his homework and wants somebody

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:03:32PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 21.06.13 10:13, Rado Q wrote: But not to make one side happy and reject the other, how about this: we get 2 lists, one for the basicsimple stuff (mutt-users), the other for advanced (mutt-adventures). Have some moderators

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-25 Thread John Niendorf
I've been watching this thread for a while and thinking Good grief, give me a break. This is only my point of view. 1. RTFM is rude. It is usually written by people who seem to feel the need to show that they know more than someone else. 2. Having to put up with people who ask basic

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-25 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/6/25 11:47 PM, John Niendorf wrote: I've been watching this thread for a while and thinking Good grief, give me a break. This is only my point of view. 1. RTFM is rude. It is usually written by people who seem to feel the need to show that they know more than someone else. 2. Having to

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-24 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 07:30:46AM +, John Long wrote: Asking on a mailing list, where someone (or many someones) almost certainly knows the answer without looking it up, AND will reply to you usually in less than 5 minutes, while you go make yourself a nice cup of tea, is a much more

Re: OT: Request for old cruft. [Was: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)]

2013-06-24 Thread Eduardo Alvarez
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 09:47:23PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 21.06.13 10:52, Eduardo Alvarez wrote: That sounds like a fantastic compilation, not just for practical knowledge, but I'm betting a little of history as well. Would you care to share it? :) At first I thought that's

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-24 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 05:58:16PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-24 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: At the risk of raising everyones ire, there are times, especially with a really basic question and no indication of any effort on the poster's part, reply by asking what research has been done, what has been tried, and

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-23 Thread John Long
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 05:58:16PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should

OT: Request for old cruft. [Was: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)]

2013-06-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.06.13 10:52, Eduardo Alvarez wrote: That sounds like a fantastic compilation, not just for practical knowledge, but I'm betting a little of history as well. Would you care to share it? :) At first I thought that's not a problem, if it is of any interest. But it includes pastes of

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Rado Q
=- Derek Martin wrote on Thu 20.Jun'13 at 17:58:16 -0500 -= [I think people should take note: this comment clearly suggests that Paul, like many people, has had negative experiences asking relatively simple questions on mailing lists like this one, if not this very one.] True. I normally

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.06.13 10:13, Rado Q wrote: But not to make one side happy and reject the other, how about this: we get 2 lists, one for the basicsimple stuff (mutt-users), the other for advanced (mutt-adventures). Have some moderators sitting on the basic- line forwarding the advanced stuff (users) to

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-06-20, Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should take note:

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Rado Q
=- Erik Christiansen wrote on Fri 21.Jun'13 at 21:03:32 +1000 -= It is only desirable to chastise any serial abuser of the list's patience - a KLB. Your lawyer's response, Rado, lacks practical merit. Serial is not only limited to a single individual, serial can consist of many different

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Eduardo Alvarez
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:03:32PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: The real and substantial impairments, both physical and mental, which accrue with advancing age, are easily overlooked in the ignorance of youth, or even middle age. Though two decades behind our petitioner for a quick hint,

The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-20 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should take note: this comment clearly suggests that Paul, like many people,