Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-11-14 Thread Blammo
On 11/12/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IO bound problems on disk writes is being worked on right now (I'm actually testing and debugging right now). It will most likely be solved in a few days. One of my slave backends, a P3-733 with 2xPVR-250's, mounting the /myth

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-11-12 Thread Blammo
On 10/27/05, Brian C. Huffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 11:42 -0400, Bryan Halter wrote: Well to start with for RAID you need to have disks that are all the same size (preferably the same model). I believe Linux supports growing software RAID volumes and I'm sure

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-11-12 Thread MythTV
] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do... On 10/27/05, Brian C. Huffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 11:42 -0400, Bryan Halter wrote: Well to start with for RAID you need to have disks that are all the same size (preferably the same model). I believe Linux supports growing software

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-11-12 Thread Brandon Beattie
First I had no raid, just a single 300g drive. I found that with 4 tuners going, and 3 machines trying to commerical flag, watching even a single frontend was impossible without either stuttering video, choppy FFW, IO Bound on disk writes, network saturation, or some combo of the above. So I

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-11-12 Thread chris
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 10:35:39AM -0700, Blammo wrote: So, my advice, in the short? Buy good hardware, set it up in ways known to be stable, and it will serve you well. You get what you pay for. On a related note - watch the drive temperatures! Before I upgraded to RAID5 I had three hard

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-11-11 Thread Erik Karlin
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 01:13:39PM -0400, Steve Adeff wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:42, Erik Karlin wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:50PM +0100, Alexander Fisher wrote: On 10/27/05, David Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit you have me quite intrigued by this RAID

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-11-11 Thread Steve Adeff
On Friday 11 November 2005 11:57, Erik Karlin wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 01:13:39PM -0400, Steve Adeff wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:42, Erik Karlin wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:50PM +0100, Alexander Fisher wrote: On 10/27/05, David Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-29 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:51:47AM -0400, Brian C. Huffman wrote: You could go SATA, but IDE is gonna be cheaper, and I haven't had any problems with performance yet. Nowadays SATA and IDE are more or less the same price, but SATA is much more convenient to work with and more reliable. I'd

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-28 Thread Steve Adeff
On Thursday 27 October 2005 16:06, Brandon Beattie wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 02:42:15PM -0500, Andrew Close wrote: On 10/27/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Hopefully in the next few months myth will support storing to multiple directories, which would remove

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-28 Thread Andrew Close
On 10/28/05, Steve Adeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ I had a similar concept, though slightly different, i think... My idea was to have a general mythtv recordings directory, under which all harddrives would be mounted (ie /mythrec/1 /mythrec/2 /mythrec/3 etc). Have one for new recordings.

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-28 Thread Steve Adeff
On Thursday 27 October 2005 20:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:30:07AM -0400, Steve Adeff wrote: noone has yet mentioned S.M.A.R.T. yet. After I went through a stint of loosing 2 hd's in a week's time (due to powersupply problems) I looked into things and found

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Neale Swinnerton
David Bennett wrote: ... fortunately this has not happened (yet!) but I am preparing for the worst. Unfortunately this happened to me last week, one of my drives in a 2 drive LVM started getting all sorts of weird timeouts. It hasn't been seen since :-( You can find all this in the docs. In

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread David Bennett
Wow... this is stressing me out. So basically by adding another drive to my LVM group (which I assume means I am not striping I increased the size of my drive at the cost of now giving 2 harddrives a chance to fail instead of one. (shooot especially considering my luck with hard drives.) I

RE: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread David Maher
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Bennett Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2005 5:30 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do... Wow... this is stressing me out. So basically by adding

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:35 PM, Bryan Halter wrote: As far as I know if you lose a disk in an LVM dies you're SOL. Wrong. At least for the LVM, obviously you've lost that disk. On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:41:28 +0900, David Bennett wrote: I have seen the same article about reducing the

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Robin Gilks
[snip] You can find out how your logical volumes are split by using: lvdisplay -m That lists the mapping to physical volumes. You can give a physical volume name to lvcreate and lvextend to control the placement in future. You can use pvmove to fix any split logical volumes you already

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Jan Ophey
David Bennett wrote: (And on another note, is a 2 disk raid even worth it? If one of the hard drives develops an error, will that not corrupt its partner?) What does everyone think? Help me develop the poor mans backup... (not only do I keep my Video files on the LVM (which I can afford to

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Greg
On 10/27/05, Martin Ebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:35 PM, Bryan Halter wrote: As far as I know if you lose a disk in an LVM dies you're SOL.Wrong. At least for the LVM, obviously you've lost that disk.On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:41:28 +0900, David Bennett wrote: I

RE: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Simpson, Richard
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bryan Halter As far as I know if you lose a disk in an LVM dies you're SOL. If you need redundancy and want a scheme that allows you to have a huge folume look into RAID-5. It allows you n-1

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Brandon Beattie
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 11:26:47PM -0500, Korey Fort wrote: As far as I know if you lose a disk in an LVM dies you're SOL. If you Untrue, you only lose everything if it is the first drive (Unless something really odd happens). I've tested just pulling a drive and shrinking the lvm and it did

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Kevin Kuphal
David Bennett wrote: Wow... this is stressing me out. So basically by adding another drive to my LVM group (which I assume means I am not striping I increased the size of my drive at the cost of now giving 2 harddrives a chance to fail instead of one. (shooot especially considering my luck

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Michael T. Dean
Martin Ebourne wrote: Key points to learn from this to save your data: ... 3. Don't split logical volumes over physical volumes unless you absolutely have to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the LV for the recordings directory have to be split over physical volumes to create a

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Steve Adeff
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 19:43, David Bennett wrote: ... fortunately this has not happened (yet!) but I am preparing for the worst. Jarod's MythTV guide recommends LVM as an option to create nice and big MythTV partitions. I followed the guide and have recently added another 250G to my

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Bryan Halter
On Oct 27, 2005 03:02 PM, David Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit you have me quite intrigued by this RAID 5. So heres the deal, I am going to go out and buy some disks. Anything I need to know before I start? How (and what) do I need to know to setup a software Raid 5 on my linux?

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Brian C. Huffman
On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 11:42 -0400, Bryan Halter wrote: Well to start with for RAID you need to have disks that are all the same size (preferably the same model). I believe Linux supports growing software RAID volumes and I'm sure someone will correct me if it doesn't. Personally I'd go out

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread David
To answer the OP's question. Tough. You WILL have lost data - maybe not everything. You should have used RAID5 then the answer would have been: take the dead disk out and put in a replacement, wait a few hours and you're good to go Brandon Beattie wrote: quite a bit that I happen to disagree

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Steve Adeff
On Thursday 27 October 2005 11:51, Brian C. Huffman wrote: On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 11:42 -0400, Bryan Halter wrote: Well to start with for RAID you need to have disks that are all the same size (preferably the same model). I believe Linux supports growing software RAID volumes and I'm sure

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Erik Karlin
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:50PM +0100, Alexander Fisher wrote: On 10/27/05, David Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit you have me quite intrigued by this RAID 5. So heres the deal, I am going to go out and buy some disks. Anything I need to know before I start? 250GB disks

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Steve Adeff
On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:07, Alexander Fisher wrote: Other hints ... Don't put more than one ide drive on a single ide channel. A failing drive often takes out the bus. SATA drives make sense, but SMART support for SATA is still under development. You should also make sure that your

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Brandon Beattie
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:50PM +0100, Alexander Fisher wrote: Other hints ... Don't put more than one ide drive on a single ide channel. A failing drive often takes out the bus. SATA drives make sense, but SMART support for SATA is still under development. You should also make sure

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Kevin Kuphal
Brandon Beattie wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:50PM +0100, Alexander Fisher wrote: Other hints ... Don't put more than one ide drive on a single ide channel. A failing drive often takes out the bus. SATA drives make sense, but SMART support for SATA is still under development. You

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Steve Adeff
On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:42, Erik Karlin wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:50PM +0100, Alexander Fisher wrote: On 10/27/05, David Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit you have me quite intrigued by this RAID 5. So heres the deal, I am going to go out and buy some

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Steve Adeff
On Thursday 27 October 2005 13:02, Brandon Beattie wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:50PM +0100, Alexander Fisher wrote: Other hints ... Don't put more than one ide drive on a single ide channel. A failing drive often takes out the bus. SATA drives make sense, but SMART support for

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Kevin Kuphal
Steve Adeff wrote: does raid10 do parity? I thought raid 10 required a backup harddrive for every drive in the array? RAID 10 is stripping across mirrored sets, no parity, just mirrors. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list

AW: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Bene
Also, I wonder if there is any easy way to get the info off from my current 2 drive LVM onto the raid? (I would like to use some of these LVM drives to be put in this raid). This could be tricky. I can't think of a way to do this at the moment. If you can consolidate this data

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Brandon Beattie
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:04:14PM +0100, David wrote: Raid to several of us who run TB+ LVM's for a myth box is a dumb idea. No it's not. I said several, not everyone. :) My reasons for not doing raid are $100 for an extra HD drive that doesn't add raw space, matching partition sizes

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Brandon Beattie
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 05:04:14PM +0100, David wrote: (and shrinking - if you happen to be the one geek in the world who uses less disk space over time) and reallocation of space. Let me explain my current setup and give you one of many reasons someone may want to shrink a FS, and why I'm not

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Andrew Close
On 10/27/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Hopefully in the next few months myth will support storing to multiple directories, which would remove the need for LVM or having to worry about losing anything but what was on that drive. excellent thread! :) i had to come back to

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Brandon Beattie
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 02:42:15PM -0500, Andrew Close wrote: On 10/27/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Hopefully in the next few months myth will support storing to multiple directories, which would remove the need for LVM or having to worry about losing anything but

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:54:45 +1300, Robin Gilks wrote: [snip] You can find out how your logical volumes are split by using: lvdisplay -m That lists the mapping to physical volumes. You can give a physical volume name to lvcreate and lvextend to control the placement in future. You can use

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:57:46 -0400, Michael T. Dean wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the LV for the recordings directory have to be split over physical volumes to create a recordings directory that's larger than your largest disk? If so, I guess you're talking about other

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Andrew Close
On 10/27/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 02:42:15PM -0500, Andrew Close wrote: On 10/27/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Hopefully in the next few months myth will support storing to multiple directories, which would remove the need

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread chris
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:30:07AM -0400, Steve Adeff wrote: noone has yet mentioned S.M.A.R.T. yet. After I went through a stint of loosing 2 hd's in a week's time (due to powersupply problems) I looked into things and found smartctl, which monitors the smart status of drives and can even

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-27 Thread Michael T. Dean
Andrew Close wrote: On 10/27/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 02:42:15PM -0500, Andrew Close wrote: On 10/27/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Hopefully in the next few months myth will support storing to multiple

[mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-26 Thread David Bennett
... fortunately this has not happened (yet!) but I am preparing for the worst. Jarod's MythTV guide recommends LVM as an option to create nice and big MythTV partitions. I followed the guide and have recently added another 250G to my original drive with Mytbtv-users help. A hard drive failure on

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-26 Thread Bryan Halter
David Bennett wrote: ... fortunately this has not happened (yet!) but I am preparing for the worst. Jarod's MythTV guide recommends LVM as an option to create nice and big MythTV partitions. I followed the guide and have recently added another 250G to my original drive with Mytbtv-users help.

RE: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-26 Thread Korey Fort
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Halter Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:35 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do... David Bennett wrote: ... fortunately this has

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-26 Thread David Bennett
I have seen the same article about reducing the size on LVM... I guess I'm just unclear about what I would lose if I lost an LVM'd drive (stemming from the fact i dont know how LVM data is stored.) Are bits of one file stored across multiple drives, or would the loss of a drive result in the loss

Re: [mythtv-users] An LVM'd drive died! What do I do...

2005-10-26 Thread chris
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 01:41:28PM +0900, David Bennett wrote: I have seen the same article about reducing the size on LVM... I guess I'm just unclear about what I would lose if I lost an LVM'd drive (stemming from the fact i dont know how LVM data is stored.) Are bits of one file stored