On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:38:18 -0400, Daniel Golding wrote:
>Union issue? Or terrorism? Or competition? (or all of the above?)
>
>This doesn't seem like the work of disaffected teenagers, for some
>reason... :)
Maybe the IRA didn't take kindly to being kicked out of the world
cup?
:0)
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:31:56 -0400, blitz wrote:
>Anyone else getting the group msgs in duplicate like I am?
I think so, it doesn't seem to happen majorly frequently but
sometimes I'll read some messages one day and then the next day I'll
check my mail and the messages will be there again marked
Hi folks,
As mentioned to several of you last week in Toronto, I'm looking for
infrastructure, international and national peering policies that anyone
wants to donate to a good cause. It is time for the bi-annual update! If
we have a wide variety of policies in hand it will help. For some
We (UUNET) have an internal document that we've been using for a few
years as the basis for tests of security features of equipment to be
connected to our backbone. We're interested in making it public so
that it can be improved and so that others can use it. You can view
the current draft at:
Has anyone else noticed that Qwest appears to be leaking routes to 10.0.0.0/8??
BGP routing table entry for 10.0.0.0/8, version 1073573
Paths: (1 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)
Not advertised to any peer
1784 209
216.182.0.65 (metric 5803520) from 216.182.0.65 (21
Humble suggestion would be to block the advert of RFC 1918 addresses at your
peering points.
Jeff Harper, VCE, CNEP
IEEE#: 40306184
Manager of Network Engineering
Verizon Internet Services [AS 6541/AS 6976]
214.513.6791 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Vinny Abello [mailto:
I assume you contacted these folks?
http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi?qwest
and they did not respond for some period of time..
- Jared
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:47:13AM -0400, Vinny Abello wrote:
>
> Has anyone else noticed that Qwest appears to be leaking route
I could not get this virus to execute on my BSD box, the binary must
be corrupt.
Clearly this person did not study their target audience.
Regards,
James
On 17 Jun 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote:
>
> Fair Warning
>
>
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> The difference is XO will be fine, Adelphia will be bought by , or
> potentially liquidated.
They're talking about selling out to Charter.
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- I do my best work with one of
At 12:46 6/18/02 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
> > The difference is XO will be fine, Adelphia will be bought by , or
> > potentially liquidated.
>
>They're talking about selling out to Charter.
The deal with Charter fell through a week ago.Adelphia's so di
[ On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 03:17:07 (-0400), blitz wrote: ]
> Subject: Viri capture...
>
> Anti-viri worked here as wellfile captured, and destroyed... backdoor
> bot indeed...
Your anti-virus software can only work if you are lame enough to
continue to run software that remains vulnera
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, blitz wrote:
> > > The difference is XO will be fine, Adelphia will be bought by , or
> > > potentially liquidated.
> >
> >They're talking about selling out to Charter.
>
> The deal with Charter fell through a week ago.Adelphia's so dirty, no
> one wants to touch them.
Are you suggesting us as end users should reprogram every OS and Email
client rather than run a virus checker?
Because I know I for one dont have time to rewrite them all! And will
leave that to their creators safe in the knowledge that my virus checker
will stop inbound..
Unfortunately those
Hi Brett,
Are you asking _why_ there are so many hops between yourself and the guy
across town?
Jane
brett watson wrote:
>
> i sit behind cox-cable service at home, and in troubleshooting why my
> connectivity is *so* horrible, i find the following traceroute. does
> anyone do any sane routin
--On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 1:33 PM -0400 Pawlukiewicz Jane
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Brett,
>
> Are you asking _why_ there are so many hops between yourself and the guy
> across town?
no, just lamenting the passing of an era. an era where we engineers
cooperated, and "just fixed" the
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 12:34, brett watson wrote:
> no, just lamenting the passing of an era. an era where we engineers
> cooperated, and "just fixed" the problems as they occured. and we didn't
> do things like this.
Keep in mind the reason why the era passed. During that era, you had
top
bw> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:34:10 -0700
bw> From: brett watson
bw> no, just lamenting the passing of an era. an era where we
bw> engineers cooperated, and "just fixed" the problems as they
bw> occured. and we didn't do things like this.
bw> turn on the sarcasm tone, and re-read my post. t
ohmygod.
Not the engineer vs cs argument again. There was a time they were one
and the same beast.
Of course. I'm dating myself.
Jane
Jeff Harper wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 12:34, brett watson wrote:
>
> > no, just lamenting the passing of an era. an era where we engineers
> > cooper
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 06:01:37PM +, E.B. Dreger wrote:
>
> bw> turn on the sarcasm tone, and re-read my post. this could
> bw> win the prize on Latenight with David Letterman, Stupid IP
> bw> Routing Tricks.
>
> Does the first person to create a "knight's tour" traceroute on
> their netw
At 01:33 PM 6/18/2002 -0400, Pawlukiewicz Jane wrote:
>Are you asking _why_ there are so many hops between yourself and the guy
>across town?
He's not, but answer is that BGP's key metric is AS path length. This can
have very little to do with the optimality (expressed as efficient use of
reso
Path is one of the last things to be checked
BGP first checks all kinds of network admin defined things such as local
prefs etc which ought to be properly set by the admins to ensure traffic
is going the best way (which should include local interconnects rather
than last resort transits). Then
A client of mine just discovered that he could no longer do ftp
transfers to my machine. His IP address had changed to one in
12.240.20 and there is no reverse DNS for that block. His
previous assignment was in a totally different block which did
have reverse DNS. Calls to ATTBI got the answer th
At 07:28 PM 6/18/2002 +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
>Path is one of the last things to be checked
>
>BGP first checks all kinds of network admin defined things such as local
>prefs etc which ought to be properly set by the admins to ensure traffic
>is going the best way (which should include l
--On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:30 AM -0700 Lou Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A client of mine just discovered that he could no longer do ftp
> transfers to my machine. His IP address had changed to one in
> 12.240.20 and there is no reverse DNS for that block. His
> previous assignment was
No, I'm suggesting that key interconnections should be preferenced where
they provide better throughput/latency/whatever ..
in the below example its unclear what causes the path to be the way it is
but it doesnt look optimum in terms of ip hops altho it presumably is only
2 or 3 AS hops
i'm sa
SJW> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:28:41 +0100 (BST)
SJW> From: Stephen J. Wilcox
SJW> BGP first checks all kinds of network admin defined things
SJW> such as local prefs etc which ought to be properly set by
SJW> the admins to ensure traffic is going the best way (which
SJW> should include local i
--On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:39 PM + "E.B. Dreger"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's what happened here. Rather than transitting the traffic
> via a "last resort" across town/state, the higher local-pref of a
> "local" peer won.
>
> Geography requirements for peers aren't inherently bad
We're seeing some strange packet dropping behavior with a monitoring
host on PacBell DSL - if we send two packets back to back, the
probability that both get dropped is actually higher than the
probability of losing one packet if it's sent alone. We're trying
to explain the behavior to understan
ML> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:34:34 -0700
ML> From: Mathew Lodge
ML> So, you're advocating that the admin do all of the
ML> optimization manually for all destinations by setting
ML> preferences?
If I find "6347 3561 1" works better than "3549 1", I'll tune
local-pref accordingly. The OP had a
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 06:39:45PM +, E.B. Dreger wrote:
>
> That's what happened here. Rather than transitting the traffic
> via a "last resort" across town/state, the higher local-pref of a
> "local" peer won.
>
> Geography requirements for peers aren't inherently bad. There's
> a point
At 02:30 PM 6/18/02, Lou Katz wrote:
>A client of mine just discovered that he could no longer do ftp
>transfers to my machine. His IP address had changed to one in
>12.240.20 and there is no reverse DNS for that block. His
>previous assignment was in a totally different block which did
>have re
SJW> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:38:40 +0100 (BST)
SJW> From: Stephen J. Wilcox
SJW> in the below example its unclear what causes the path to be
SJW> the way it is but it doesnt look optimum in terms of ip hops
SJW> altho it presumably is only 2 or 3 AS hops
I dub it... eOLPF.
SJW> i'm saying
Er... back then it took 2 months to learn everything a backbone engineer
had to know. Nowadays it's an alphabet soup of stupid techniques to
achieve the same result - i.e. to deliver a packet from place A to place
B. Blame gredy vendors (OFRV, particularly, and don't forget
hellcore) who
Sorry for the off-topic request, but can anyone point me to a copy of
the 802.1Q spec?
Jeff
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Jeffrey L. Oliver Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network AnalystWeb: http://telecom.uleth.ca
Telecommun
As an ATTBI customer at home (only [reasonably priced] high speed available
in the area), the recent network/service changes being rolled out have a
high negative pressure coefficient. Haven't tried FTP lately, will have to
see if it still works on 'my' network tonight! I do know their USENET fee
[ On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 18:30:33 (+0100), Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: Viri capture...
>
> Are you suggesting us as end users should reprogram every OS and Email
> client rather than run a virus checker?
Alternatives are not rare, difficult to use, or more limited in any
sign
http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/portfolio.html
Regards,
James Thomason
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Jeff Oliver wrote:
>
> Sorry for the off-topic request, but can anyone point me to a copy of
> the 802.1Q spec?
>
> Jeff
> --
>
> Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue..
>
> --
>
>
"Broke-ass" is that a new technical term?
I like it:)
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Richard A
Steenbergen wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 06:39:45PM +, E.B. Dreger wrote:
> >
> > That's what happened here. Rather than transitting the traffic
> > via a "last resort" across town/state, the hi
JO> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:04:12 -0600
JO> From: Jeff Oliver
JO> Sorry for the off-topic request, but can anyone point me to a
JO> copy of the 802.1Q spec?
www.ieee.org
They have some specs available for free download... including
802, IIRC.
Eddy
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--On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:52 AM -0700 Vadim Antonov
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Er... back then it took 2 months to learn everything a backbone engineer
> had to know. Nowadays it's an alphabet soup of stupid techniques to
> achieve the same result - i.e. to deliver a packet from place
VA> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
VA> From: Vadim Antonov
VA> Regarding the diameter of the Internet - I'm still trying to
VA> figure out why the hell anyone would want to have "edge"
VA> routers (instead of dumb TDMs) if not for inability of IOS to
VA> support large numbers of vi
[ On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 14:51:16 (-0400), Daniel Senie wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: ATTBI refuses to do reverse DNS?
>
> INADDR is a really good idea for network operators to be using, and a
> really BAD idea for server operators to use as a security mechanism. Fix
> your server to be less an
Greetings - here's some info about the last NANOG meeting.
=
NANOG 25
June 9-11
Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada
Host: Group Telecom
Total Attendees: 509 (up from 425 at NANOG24)
Speakers:
Because most of their backbone architects came from IBI/Digex?
-C
>
> Why do you think Cogent has ".atlas." in their DNS? :)
>
> --
> Richard A Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras
> PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
msg
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:54:13 -0400 (EDT), Greg A. Woods wrote:
>[ On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 14:51:16 (-0400), Daniel Senie wrote: ]
>>Subject: Re: ATTBI refuses to do reverse DNS?
>>INADDR is a really good idea for network operators to be using, and a
>>really BAD idea for server operators
Most providers provide some kind for forward/reverse mapping, including
ATTBI. Often, however, they do provide customized reverse mapping (ie,
myhost.mydomain.com). That may be where the disconnect.
I believe that ATTBI has a script that auto-generates forward/reverse
mappings on a regular bas
GAH! Sorry, bad typo.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
> Most providers provide some kind for forward/reverse mapping, including
> ATTBI. Often, however, they do provide customized reverse mapping (ie,
^^ do not
> myhost.mydomain.com). That may be
In the referenced message, Daniel Senie said:
>
> At 02:30 PM 6/18/02, Lou Katz wrote:
> >Is this common?
>
> I have a CDPD card which has a fixed address. It's from Verizon Wireless.
> There's no INADDR. There seems to be a lack of understanding and clue all
> around on INADDR, which is th
Adelphia announced price increases today 90 cents a month for cable TV,
bringing the package to about $39. a month in Buffalo, and $41. outside.
Also they increased the "powerlink" cablemodem $2.00 a month. (this is the
second increase this year)
Tuesday, June 18, 2002, 5:30:50 PM, blitz wrote:
b> Adelphia announced price increases today 90 cents a month for cable TV,
b> bringing the package to about $39. a month in Buffalo, and $41. outside.
b> Also they increased the "powerlink" cablemodem $2.00 a month. (this is the
b> second i
>Regarding the diameter of the Internet - I'm still trying to
>figure out
>why the hell anyone would want to have "edge" routers (instead of dumb
>TDMs) if not for inability of IOS to support large numbers of virtual
>interfaces. Same story goes for "clusters" of backbone routers.
When ANY
At 05:29 PM 6/18/02, Stephen Griffin wrote:
>In the referenced message, Daniel Senie said:
> >
> > At 02:30 PM 6/18/02, Lou Katz wrote:
>
> > >Is this common?
> >
> > I have a CDPD card which has a fixed address. It's from Verizon Wireless.
> > There's no INADDR. There seems to be a lack of under
Thus spake "Stephen Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The lack of clue tends to be on the providing in-addr side of
> things. I think it is a great thing to refuse connections from
> ips without in-addr, in the same way it is great to refuse mail
> from domains that don't provide postmaster address
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Martin, Christian wrote:
> >Regarding the diameter of the Internet - I'm still trying to
> >figure out
> >why the hell anyone would want to have "edge" routers (instead of dumb
> >TDMs) if not for inability of IOS to support large numbers of virtual
> >interfaces. Same
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 05:30:50PM -0400, blitz wrote:
> Adelphia announced price increases today 90 cents a month for cable TV,
> bringing the package to about $39. a month in Buffalo, and $41. outside.
> Also they increased the "powerlink" cablemodem $2.00 a month. (this is the
> second
--On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:17 PM -0700 Vadim Antonov
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Demonstrably (proof by existence), those switches can be made reasonably
> reliable. So can be routers. It's the fabled computer tech culture of "be
> crappy, ship fast, pile features sky high, test after you
I just received an email from Verisign customer service requesting I
"refresh my information:" on an active domain that doesn't expire
until 2004. My concern is that the request specifically stated ICANN
required them to do this.
On searching the ICANN-Verisign contract at the ICANN site, I
At 07:09 PM 6/18/2002 -0400, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
>On searching the ICANN-Verisign contract at the ICANN site, I could find
>no requirement for refreshing. I'm concerned this may be a covert
>marketing activity, since the web page for "refreshing" very easily could
>have led me into buy
I'm receiving routes for 39.0.0.0/8 which is odd as IANA states this is a
reserved block, as does arin but theres a route in radb ..
I cant find AS4554 either and the rDNS doesnt exist in in-addr.arpa
Whats this all about then?
Steve
*>i39.0.0.0 62.24.192.1 7765100
Thus spake "Vadim Antonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Actually, not. A router is a hell of a lot simpler than a Class-5
> switch, particularly if you don't do ATM, FR, X.25, MPLS,
> QoS, multicast, IPv6, blah, blah, blah.
The data plane is remarkably easier. The control plane is arguable. And
with
This started off as me being curious as to why a UUNet engineer I was
talking to told me he could not understand why a network would support a
feature such as BGP communities for identifying the origin of a
route/network entry point. I tried to explain to him the advantage of being
able to quick
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 04:54:54PM -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>
> Thus spake "Stephen Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > The lack of clue tends to be on the providing in-addr side of
> > things. I think it is a great thing to refuse connections from
> > ips without in-addr, in the same way it i
TK> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:13:50 -0400
TK> From: Thomas Kernen
TK> This triggered a thought, do many people actually use BGP
TK> communities to pinpoint a route origination point/type, and
TK> if so for what purpose (debugging, analysis, other)
Analysis and mild tuning. Perhaps I'm strange
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 03:25:00PM -0700, brett watson wrote:
>
> --On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:17 PM -0700 Vadim Antonov
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Demonstrably (proof by existence), those switches can be made reasonably
> >reliable. So can be routers. It's the fabled computer tech cu
And it will continue to work that way.
That is the quality work of the people who spend many
man-hours putting together such a system that is robust enough
that when i decide that when you send me e-mail (not via a list)
from a host that has no reverse dns, i can easily flag that
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> Thus spake "Vadim Antonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Actually, not. A router is a hell of a lot simpler than a Class-5
> > switch, particularly if you don't do ATM, FR, X.25, MPLS,
> > QoS, multicast, IPv6, blah, blah, blah.
>
> The data plane is rema
FYI:
o ISPs Form DC-based Organization To Battle Large Telecom Firms
Washington, DC -- About 200 Internet service providers (ISPs) from around
the country have formed a new organization based in Washington DC that
will battle against what they call "monopolistic local telephone
companies" regard
[ On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 17:29:18 (-0400), Stephen Griffin wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: ATTBI refuses to do reverse DNS?
>
> The lack of clue tends to be on the providing in-addr side of things.
> I think it is a great thing to refuse connections from ips without
> in-addr, in the same way it is
[ On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 17:47:10 (-0400), Daniel Senie wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: ATTBI refuses to do reverse DNS?
>
> While I believe people SHOULD be providing INADDR service, the people hurt
> by refusing connections are rarely the ones who have any influence.
On the contrary!
The peopl
[ On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 16:54:54 (-0500), Stephen Sprunk wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: ATTBI refuses to do reverse DNS?
>
>
> So, if you ran Amazon.com, you wouldn't accept money from customers of
> clueless ISPs?
Luckily Amazon.com and sites like it, and more importantly their
customers, have
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, blitz wrote:
>
> Adelphia announced price increases today 90 cents a month for cable TV,
> bringing the package to about $39. a month in Buffalo, and $41. outside.
> Also they increased the "powerlink" cablemodem $2.00 a month. (this is the
> second increase this year)
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Jake Baillie wrote:
>
> At 07:09 PM 6/18/2002 -0400, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
>
> >On searching the ICANN-Verisign contract at the ICANN site, I could find
> >no requirement for refreshing. I'm concerned this may be a covert
> >marketing activity, since the web page for "r
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, blitz wrote:
>>
>> Adelphia announced price increases today 90 cents a month for
>> cable TV, bringing the package to about $39. a month in Buffalo, and
>> $41. outside. Also they increased the "powerlink" cablemodem $2.00 a
>> month. (this is the second increase th
Its interesting that an organization of ISPs has a press release before the
website is up. :)
DJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Irwin Lazar
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:22 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: D.C. area based ISP's uni
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:51:14 EDT, Martin Hannigan said:
> I too got one. Define "refresh". as far as I'm read it, if my
> data is accurate, I'm all set.
And the registrar knows the data is accurate *how*?
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On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 05:30:50PM -0400, blitz wrote:
>
> Adelphia announced price increases today 90 cents a month for cable TV,
> bringing the package to about $39. a month in Buffalo, and $41. outside.
> Also they increased the "powerlink" cablemodem $2.00 a month. (this is the
> second i
Hello,
multicasting has nothing to do with ipheader->protocol as far as I know.
So my definition doesn't consider multicasting.
//Magnus
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 10:03:29AM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
>
>
> I dont provide multicast, am I not an ISP by your definition? I think so..
>
> St
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