Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 2/25/10 10:12 PM, deles...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I'm wrong on this, and I'm not a mailadmin anywhere nor have I been or pretended to have been in the past. But I'm pretty sure FB only sends you mail based on the prefrences you choose, and I know this is the answer you where given so

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Sean Donelan wrote: Are there any common locations in Alaska where multiple local ISPs exchange traffic, either transit or peering? Or is Seattle the closest exchange point

Re: lt2p/pptp vpn concentrators

2010-03-04 Thread Curtis Maurand
pfsense or Vyatta on Intel dual core hardware with decent network cards will save you a ton of $$$ and run thousands of tunnels. On 3/3/2010 7:01 PM, Paul Wall wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Leslieles...@craigslist.org wrote: We're currently looking for a small lt2p/pptp

RE: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Jay Hanke
On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Sean Donelan wrote: Are there any common locations in Alaska where multiple local ISPs exchange traffic, either transit or peering? Or is Seattle the closest exchange point for

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Andrew Hoyos
On 3/4/10 8:57 AM, Jay Hanke jha...@myclearwave.net wrote: snip We've seen the same issues in Minnesota. Locally referred to as the Chicago Problem. Adding on to point 3, there is also a lack of neutral facilities with a sufficient amount of traffic to justify the next carrier connecting. In

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-03-03, at 18:51, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: Are there any common locations in Alaska where multiple local ISPs exchange traffic, either transit or peering? Or is Seattle the closest exchange point for Alaska ISPs? PCH doesn't know of

RE: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Jay Hanke
On 3/4/10 8:57 AM, Jay Hanke jha...@myclearwave.net wrote: snip We've seen the same issues in Minnesota. Locally referred to as the Chicago . Problem. Adding on to point 3, there is also a lack of neutral facilities with a sufficient amount of traffic to justify the next carrier connecting.

RE: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Aaron Wendel
We have very similar issues in Kansas City. A couple years ago we set up a local exchange point but it's had issues gaining traction due to a lack of understanding more than anything else. In these smaller markets people have a hard time understanding how connecting to a competitor benefits

Re: My email recived in incorrect date by hotmail

2010-03-04 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: By the virtue of CCITT X.666 Hyperspace Transport Protocol your messages have been transported within different space-time coordinates, best guess check your PC Real Time Clock. When working with timezones I always find

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Dale W. Carder
On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: From the looks of the link it looks like there is a bit of traction at the MadIX. One of the other interested carriers has talked to the University of MN and they showed some interest in participating. The trick is getting the first couple of

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:41:38 CST, Aaron Wendel said: We have very similar issues in Kansas City. A couple years ago we set up a local exchange point but it's had issues gaining traction due to a lack of understanding more than anything else. In these smaller markets people have a hard time

Redundant BGP for lower cost

2010-03-04 Thread Alex Thurlow
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not a full time network admin, but we're a small company and I'm the only one handling this. Our budget is also not huge, but we're at the point where extended downtime would cost us enough money that we can spend some money to fix the problem. Here's

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:13 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:41:38 CST, Aaron Wendel said: We have very similar issues in Kansas City. A couple years ago we set up a local exchange point but it's had issues gaining traction due to a lack of understanding more than

Re: Redundant BGP for lower cost

2010-03-04 Thread Jack Carrozzo
If you want to keep it cheap, roll out another Quagga edge - one to each peer. Drop default into OSPF from both edges, iBGP over a GE between them. If one toasts you'll only lose half your routes for 1s-ish, or however long you set your OSPF keepalives. While you're at it, add extra fans and run

Small IXP [was Alaska IXP?]

2010-03-04 Thread Jay Hanke
[snip] Does anybody have some numbers they're able to share? In the two small ISPs in the boonies scenario, *is* there enough cross traffic to make an interconnect worth it? (I'd expect that gaming/IM/email across town to a friend on The Other ISP would dominate here?) Or are both

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: Or at the cogent website ($4/meg) do the cost justify peering anymore? Personally I'd rather pay $10 for something that works, than $4 for something that doesn't sc...@zaphod:~$ telnet www.cogentco.com 80 Trying

Re: Alaska IXP?

2010-03-04 Thread Marty Anstey
Joe Abley wrote: On 2010-03-03, at 18:51, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: Are there any common locations in Alaska where multiple local ISPs exchange traffic, either transit or peering? Or is Seattle the closest exchange point for Alaska

Re: Redundant BGP for lower cost

2010-03-04 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Alex Thurlow wrote: 2. Buy a Cisco/Juniper/whatever and then have the Quagga box as backup. 3. I have a 6500 behind the router that's just doing switching. Could I have something switch that to static route all traffic to one of my providers if something happened to the

Ubiquti NanobridgeM

2010-03-04 Thread Todd Mueller
Anyone have any real-world experience with Ubiquti's MIMO PTP equipment? We're looking to shoot data at distances of a few hundred feet up to 2-3 miles. Reliability? Latency? Other issues? Any feedback is appreciated. http://www.ubnt.com/nanobridge Thanks! Todd

Re: Ubiquti NanobridgeM

2010-03-04 Thread Jon Meek
There is a wealth of information in Ubiquti's forums: http://ubnt.com/forum/ Jon On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Todd Mueller t...@velocitytelephone.com wrote: Anyone have any real-world experience with Ubiquti's MIMO PTP equipment? We're looking to shoot data at distances of a few hundred

Re: Ubiquti NanobridgeM

2010-03-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Todd Mueller wrote: Anyone have any real-world experience with Ubiquti's MIMO PTP equipment? We're looking to shoot data at distances of a few hundred feet up to 2-3 miles. Reliability? Latency? Other issues? Any feedback is appreciated.

IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Magill
So to start off, I'm new to following this list so if these points have already been beaten into the ground, feel free to tell me to shut up. So two things I wonder about the preservation of current IP4 space and delaying IP6 are: 1.Why don't providers use /31 addresses for P2P

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Thomas Magill wrote: 1.Why don't providers use /31 addresses for P2P links? This works fine per rfc 3021 but nobody seems to believe it or use it. Are there any major manufacturers out there that do not support it? Some vendors inconsistently support

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/4/10 10:52 AM, Thomas Magill wrote: So to start off, I'm new to following this list so if these points have already been beaten into the ground, feel free to tell me to shut up. So two things I wonder about the preservation of current IP4 space and delaying IP6 are: 1.

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Marco Hogewoning
1.Why don't providers use /31 addresses for P2P links? This works fine per rfc 3021 but nobody seems to believe it or use it. Are there any major manufacturers out there that do not support it? 99.999% of my customers are on /32 anyway. I could probably get a handfull of addresses

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/04/2010 10:52 AM, Thomas Magill wrote: 2. Longer than /24 prefixes in global BGP table. The most obvious answer is that some hardware may not handle it... How is that hardware going to handle an IP6 table then? I have had several occasions where functionally I needed to

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread jim deleskie
If I leave all boxes checked to send mail/notices/app requests to everyone in my list, or if I give FB my gmail password to pull all my contacts and send them an invite, its pure @ my request, sure FB is happy I do it, but it is no way spam. Its like calling 5 ICMP packets a DDoS. -jim On Thu,

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Thomas Magill tmag...@providecommerce.com wrote: 1.        Why don't providers use /31 addresses for P2P links?  This works fine per rfc 3021 but nobody seems to believe it or use it.  Are there any major manufacturers out there that do not support it? Because

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 03:16:25PM -0400, jim deleskie wrote: If I leave all boxes checked to send mail/notices/app requests to everyone in my list, or if I give FB my gmail password to pull all my contacts and send them an invite, its pure @ my request, sure FB is happy I do it, but it is no

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread jim deleskie
I'm not going to both on this thread anymore.. waste of time. Sorry for the bulk mail/spam generated by my replies to nanog. I'll stop feeding the trolls now. -jim On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 03:16:25PM -0400, jim deleskie wrote:

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/4/2010 1:16 PM, jim deleskie wrote: If I leave all boxes checked to send mail/notices/app requests to everyone in my list, or if I give FB my gmail password to pull all my contacts and send them an invite, its pure @ my request, sure FB is happy I do it, but it is no way spam. Its like

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/4/2010 1:37 PM, jim deleskie wrote: I'm not going to both on this thread anymore.. waste of time. Sorry for the bulk mail/spam generated by my replies to nanog. I'll stop feeding the trolls now. Nice recovery attempt for a lost cause. -- Government big enough to supply everything you

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Thomas Magill wrote: 1.Why don't providers use /31 addresses for P2P links? This works fine per rfc 3021 but nobody seems to believe it or use it. Are there any major manufacturers out there that do not support it? 2. Longer than /24 prefixes in global BGP

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Daniel Staal
On Thu, March 4, 2010 3:19 am, Jay Hennigan wrote: Facebook, like many similar sites, rather aggressively requests that its users supply their email credentials so that the site can invite their contacts. All of them. Every stinkin' email address they can mine. Also, Facebook sends mail

Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Kaveh .
Hello, I apologize if this is an unusual topic but I would like to know what this expert community thinks about this issue: We have noticed that a number of Cisco appliances we have recently purchased and paid (AS NEW), are being shipped as if they have been already used/refurbished. In

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Michael Holstein
Its like calling 5 ICMP packets a DDoS. Okay .. here's a fun exercise (granted, as a .edu, the FB stats are statistically over-represented) .. this is yesterday. total email : 1,594,435 from @*facebook* : 17,274 (1.1%) Taken as a total of *legitimate* email that got through the spam

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Brian Feeny
If you are getting Cisco hardware with configs on it or crashfiles, etc. Then no it is NOT new equipment. Who are you buying from? Are they a Gold partner on Cisco's partner locator? If not, then I have seen some seedy things, and of course i have seen seedy things with Gold partners too, I

Re: Ubiquti NanobridgeM

2010-03-04 Thread Scott Brown/Clack/ESD
Todd Mueller t...@velocitytelephone.com wrote on 03/04/2010 10:44:01 AM: From: Todd Mueller t...@velocitytelephone.com To: Date: 03/04/2010 10:44 AM Subject: Ubiquti NanobridgeM Anyone have any real-world experience with Ubiquti's MIMO PTP equipment? We're looking to shoot data at

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Adcock, Matt [HISNA]
Don't deploy the equipment, demand a refund, and report the reseller to Cisco. I agree completely with Brian - find a good Cisco partner and stick with them. Also, you can't legally buy used Cisco equipment and use the operating system. You can buy the equipment but the OS is absolutely

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Stan Barber
On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:30 PM, William Herrin wrote: Because we expect far fewer end users to multihome tomorrow than do today? Regards, Bill Herrin I would suggest that the ratio of folks that will multihome under IPv6 versus those that won't will get smaller. I base that on an assumption

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Tim Sanderson
If you are getting Cisco hardware with configs on ... Then no it is NOT new equipment. That is not entirely true. Many Cisco models arrive with a default configuration - private IP addresses and all. All the new Cisco ASA's I've seen were this way. -- Tim Sanderson THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Stan Barber s...@academ.com wrote: On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:30 PM, William Herrin wrote: Because we expect far fewer end users to multihome tomorrow than do today? I would suggest that the ratio of folks that will multihome under IPv6 versus those that won't will

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Joe Johnson
Tim Sanderson wrote: That is not entirely true. Many Cisco models arrive with a default configuration - private IP addresses and all. All the new Cisco ASA's I've seen were this way. Ditto on that. Of about 12 ASA 5505s and 5510s I've deployed in the last year, only one didn't come with a

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Ken Gilmour
So if one were to purchase equipment, which is explicitly sold as Refurbished from, say www.impulsetech.us and they were to offer Smartnet on it, there is no guarantee that even if you paid for it, that Cisco would fulfil their support contract? Regards, Ken On 4 March 2010 15:22, Adcock, Matt

Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-04 Thread Dan Snyder
The 7750 and 7450 are really good products. We were a pure Cisco shop about three years ago and then started using the 7750. We are very happy with the product. If you have any questions you can contact me off list. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Chris Wallace

Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-04 Thread Scott Weeks
--- li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Adcock, Matt [HISNA]
According to previous conversations with my Cisco rep the answer is no - Cisco won't support it. I'm blind copying him on this and will pass on his response. Thanks, Matt From: Ken Gilmour [mailto:ken.gilm...@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 4:17 PM To: Adcock,

Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-04 Thread Scott Weeks
--- li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and

Desperately Seeking APNIC

2010-03-04 Thread Matthew Petach
Would anyone here know of any 24x7 contact at APNIC? The TXT records indicate they just signed the reverse zone for 203.in-addr.arpa today, and the delegations for our IP blocks disappeared when they did; and the helpdesk is currently not answering the phones:

Re: Desperately Seeking APNIC

2010-03-04 Thread Mark Foster
On Fri, March 5, 2010 11:37 am, Matthew Petach wrote: Would anyone here know of any 24x7 contact at APNIC? The TXT records indicate they just signed the reverse zone for 203.in-addr.arpa today, and the delegations for our IP blocks disappeared when they did; and the helpdesk is currently not

Re: Desperately Seeking APNIC

2010-03-04 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Matthew Petach wrote: Would anyone here know of any 24x7 contact at APNIC? The TXT records indicate they just signed the reverse zone for 203.in-addr.arpa today, and the delegations for our IP blocks disappeared when they did; and the helpdesk is

Re: Desperately Seeking APNIC

2010-03-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 63ac96a51003041437o3fe7ddc7i78acae067263a...@mail.gmail.com, Matth ew Petach writes: Would anyone here know of any 24x7 contact at APNIC? The TXT records indicate they just signed the reverse zone for 203.in-addr.arpa today, and the delegations for our IP blocks disappeared when

Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-04 Thread Craig
Very good routers. We have been using them for several years now. Very solid product, and very easy to setup services: ie vprn/ vpls/ epipe, etc. The qos on the box is very scalable. I could talk more about them off line with you or discuss more over phone. On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:22

Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-04 Thread Chadwick Sorrell
I'll have to second everything everyone is saying. Absolutely pleased with everything about them. Just wish I had more 7750s instead of 7450s. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Craig cvulja...@gmail.com wrote: Very good routers. We have been using them for several years now. Very solid product,

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Kaveh .
Thanks for the feedback. Let me clarify a few things regarding issues that this thread has addressed so far: A) Pre-existing configs: What Tim and Joe mentioned is apparently correct. I was on phone with a few Cisco tech-reps earlier today and they told me that since version 8.2, they have

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Ernie Rubi
Step #2. Retain legal counsel or talk to general counsel. On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Adcock, Matt [HISNA] wrote: Don't deploy the equipment, demand a refund, and report the reseller to Cisco. I agree completely with Brian - find a good Cisco partner and stick with them. Also, you

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Ben Carleton
On Mar 4, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Kaveh . wrote: Thanks for the feedback. Let me clarify a few things regarding issues that this thread has addressed so far: A) Pre-existing configs: What Tim and Joe mentioned is apparently correct. I was on phone with a few Cisco tech-reps earlier today and

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/4/2010 2:35 PM, Dean Anderson wrote: When there are 100 million facebook organizations, perhaps your comparison will be appropriate. But even then, only if your friends participate in all 100 million. Getting the occasional facebook, linkedin, and plaxo invitation from your friends is

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Kaveh .
Ben, Here is the output of # dir command - It includes all the files on disk0:/ ciscoasa# dir Directory of disk0:/ 134-rwx 1627545608:43:56 Jul 15 2009 asa821-k8.bin 135-rwx 1134830010:46:44 Jul 15 2009 asdm-621.bin 136-rwx 20480 00:00:00 Jan 01 1980

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 3/4/10 4:23 PM, Ben Carleton wrote: Kaveh: I can confirm with absolute certainty that fcsk is a Unix utility for determining if a hard disk is failing and optionally attempting a recovery. I have never heard of such output files, though. How big are they? If they are tiny, they could just

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/4/2010 3:14 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:35:47 EST, Dean Anderson said: lots of whining about it's not a DDoS/spam elided. My To: list: To: jim deleskie deles...@gmail.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Your To: list: To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu, Shon Elliott

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread gordon b slater
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 16:46 -0700, Brielle Bruns wrote: fsck is not just for failing hard drives. fsck is used any time you want to check a disk (may it be ssd, optical, magnetic) for any kind of errors or inconsistencies. It's a standard part of any UNIX toolkit. On Linux systems with

Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-04 Thread Scott Weeks
--- mirot...@gmail.com wrote: I'll have to second everything everyone is saying. Absolutely pleased with everything about them. Just wish I had more 7750s instead of 7450s. -- That reminds me of one thing that adds more complexity. We carry our

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Scott Weeks
--- af...@hotmail.com wrote: B) What Cisco reps could NOT explain was the existence of a number of FSCK000#.REC files on these appliances. To be more specific each of ASAs in question contains 4 extra files: FSCK.REC, FSCK0001.REC, FSCK0002.REC, FSCK0003.REC). I said 'extra' because I

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Ricky Beam
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:16:01 -0500, Kaveh . af...@hotmail.com wrote: A) Pre-existing configs: What Tim and Joe mentioned is apparently correct. I was on phone with a few Cisco tech-reps earlier today and they told me that since version 8.2, they have been shipping ASAs with a default

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/4/2010 16:16, Ricky Beam wrote: Not necessarily. I've seen a lot of boxes that appear to have come direct from Cisco, however, I know they came from a wholesaler's warehouse. (only one came direct from Cisco. from the factory in Malaysia.) A lot of counterfeits come direct from the

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Michael Holstein
The evesdroppring reported below on csuohio.edu end-users Email is a prima facie violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. I'm not sure why this got under your skin so badly, but aggregate statistics != eavesdropping. The SPAM appliance vendor software gathers these

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread gordon b slater
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 19:16 -0500, Ricky Beam wrote: It's a DOS FAT filesystem. h. hmm. FAT. Ah well, there must be a reason I guess. Not exactly what I'd choose for a high security snort box ;) But, horses for courses I suppose. Yes, as others say, good idea to check the s/n's

RE: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Adcock, Matt [HISNA]
That's very true. They ship some out one door for Cisco and some out another door for gray/black market. One other thing to note - the discounts shown on the Web site previously mentioned here are not that greater than the ones I know Cisco gives many companies. Is it really worth taking a

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Brian Feeny
On Mar 4, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Kaveh . wrote: Thanks for the feedback. Let me clarify a few things regarding issues that this thread has addressed so far: A) Pre-existing configs: What Tim and Joe mentioned is apparently correct. I was on phone with a few Cisco tech-reps earlier today and

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Brian Feeny
On most transactions, good reputable cisco partners are making about 3% on the front end. Most good partners make their money off services, and they hire highly trained engineers to deliver projects. Cisco hardware is like any other retail business, there is not deep margins. So trying to

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Owen DeLong
Folks, I know that IPv4 is down to bread crumbs. That's why I'm ready for IPv6 and hopefully the rest of you are or will be soon. However, let's consider how much address space is saved by going from /30 to /31 on every point-to-point link in the internet... Let's assume that there are ~1

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:42:39 EST, Michael Holstein said: The evesdroppring reported below on csuohio.edu end-users Email is a prima facie violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. I'm not sure why this got under your skin so badly, but aggregate statistics !=

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Mark Newton
On 05/03/2010, at 12:25 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: The most we could achieve would be to extend IPv4 freepool lifespan by roughly 26 days. Given the amount of effort sqeezing useful addresses out of such a conversion would require, I proffer that such effort is better spent moving towards IPv6

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:55:26 +0800, Owen DeLong said: So, assuming: 1. There are actually 8 million point to point links in the internet 2. All of them are currently /30s 3. Absolutely optimum use of addresses for all those links 4. All of them

RE: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Magill
The most we could achieve would be to extend IPv4 freepool lifespan by roughly 26 days. Given the amount of effort sqeezing useful addresses out of such a conversion would require, I proffer that such effort is better spent moving towards IPv6 dual stack on your networks. A /8 sounded like a

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.03.04 20:55, Owen DeLong wrote: Folks, I know that IPv4 is down to bread crumbs. That's why I'm ready for IPv6 and hopefully the rest of you are or will be soon. However, let's consider how much address space is saved by going from /30 to /31 on every point-to-point link in the

Re: Cisco hardware question

2010-03-04 Thread Rubens Kuhl
We have noticed that a number of Cisco appliances we have recently purchased and paid (AS NEW), are being shipped as if they have been already used/refurbished. In other words, several times we have seen brand new Cisco hardware, out of the box, that has pre-existing configuration

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.03.04 16:53, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Stan Barber s...@academ.com wrote: On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:30 PM, William Herrin wrote: Because we expect far fewer end users to multihome tomorrow than do today? I would suggest that the ratio of folks that will

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.03.04 22:26, Steve Bertrand wrote: On 2010.03.04 16:53, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Stan Barber s...@academ.com wrote: On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:30 PM, William Herrin wrote: Because we expect far fewer end users to multihome tomorrow than do today? I would

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:30 PM, William Herrin wrote: Because we expect far fewer end users to multihome tomorrow than do today? We do? Why do we expect this? Regards, -drc

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Thomas Magill wrote: The most we could achieve would be to extend IPv4 freepool lifespan by roughly 26 days. Given the amount of effort sqeezing useful addresses out of such a conversion would require, I proffer that such effort is better spent moving towards IPv6

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Mark Newton
On 05/03/2010, at 2:50 PM, David Conrad wrote: When the IPv4 free pool is exhausted, I have a sneaking suspicion you'll quickly find that reclaiming pretty much any IPv4 space will quickly become worth the effort. Only to the extent that the cost of IPv6 migration exceeds the cost of

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:30 PM, William Herrin wrote: Because we expect far fewer end users to multihome tomorrow than do today? We do? yea, it doesn't seem to follow based on what I'd seen at a large network provider, more

Re: Desperately Seeking APNIC

2010-03-04 Thread George Michaelson
Hi. it's been handled, so sorry for a bit of delay, which is due to the APNIC/Apricot meeting going on in KL. This problem was caused by missing WHOIS domain objects. APNIC staff are helping Matthew to resolve the problem. -George On 05/03/2010, at 6:37 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: Would

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/04/2010 06:41 PM, Thomas Magill wrote: I've been on board with rolling out IP6 but the SPs I've talked to are all '...about to start trying to possibly think about extending a beta to a small portion of some customers' or something along those lines. This led me to believe that SPs are

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-04 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On 03/04/2010 06:41 PM, Thomas Magill wrote: I've been on board with rolling out IP6 but the SPs I've talked to are all '...about to start trying to possibly think about extending a beta to a small portion of some customers' or something

Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?

2010-03-04 Thread Shon Elliott
Dean, I started the thread with the original question, and after not hearing a suitable response from either Spamcop or someone from the networking side of Facebook, I gave up on this thread when people like Michelle started chiming in their opinion. This thread wasn't meant to be an