Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/22/21 6:12 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: If someone were to make us remove a redundant DWDM node, we’d charge them list price to ever consider putting it back*, plus a deposit, plus our costs for the removal in the first place. Bad move. Enjoy the $8million, it could c

Re: DNS & IP address management

2021-09-22 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
Many organizations will use their in-addr.arpa zone(s) as an alternative form of poor-man’s IPAM. It looks like you’ve come across some such organizations. Likely those are simply the free (unassigned) addresses within the organization. Likely there are other similar host names in other /24s in

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-22 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 07:47 , Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > Owen DeLong wrote: > >>> As mergers of ASes increases the number of announcements and IPv4 >>> addresses were allocated a lot earlier than those of IPv6, >>> comparing the current numbers of announcements is not meaningful. >> Mergers

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
If someone were to make us remove a redundant DWDM node, we’d charge them list price to ever consider putting it back*, plus a deposit, plus our costs for the removal in the first place. Bad move. Enjoy the $8million, it could cost more than that to undo this mistake. *you’d actually never ev

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-22 Thread Mark Andrews
And how many apartments where covered by that single IP address? Was this where there is a restriction on other providers so the occupants had no choice of wireline ISP? > On 23 Sep 2021, at 09:38, Colton Conor wrote: > > Where does this "You can only have about 200-300 subscribers per IPv4 > ad

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Yes that’s correct, however the definition of “reasonable” appears to have been decided to be “what they charge the other carriers, if anything” Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO l...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommuni

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 23/9/21 3:01 am, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > On 9/22/21 10:45 AM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: >> Half-penny pinching “mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a >> cosmic sense > > I know someone who had a bit of a different experience. > > Someone, purportedly t

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-22 Thread Colton Conor
Where does this "You can only have about 200-300 subscribers per IPv4 address on a CGN." limit come from? I have seen several apartment complexes run on a single static IPv4 address using a Mikrotik with NAT. On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 2:49 PM Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 1

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Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Those, as well as cable and label tags with the NOC nunber, are worth their weight in gold to be honest. Almost any telco should give you a Right of Entry agreement that codified things like insurance, etc. It’s “our gear” so of course we are responsible for it, but you should codify it in an

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Tim Howe
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:47:32 -0500 wrote: > Whatever it is, the owner comes running when the local maintenance > apprentice unplugs it…. He tells me they show up within 30-45 minutes. We've attempted to address this problem by having plastic tags on the power cords that basically say "do

RE: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread jray06
Appreciate everyone’s comments here. Lots of good responses. I think the client isn’t really looking to squeeze the equipment owner here, more so just looking for a formal agreement that codifies responsibility, insurance, points of contact for notifications, etc… (the leaking battery example is

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-22 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 16:48, Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > Today, as /24 can afford hundreds of thousands of subscribers > by NAT, only very large retail ISPs need more than one > announcement for IPv4. > You can only have about 200-300 subscribers per IPv4 address

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread K. Scott Helms
The problem with this approach, and with scrubbing centers more generally, is that while the cure might be better than the disease it doesn't result in usable VOIP. Voice customers don't care if things are _better_ but their MOS scores are still below 2. Scott Helms On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:

Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:27 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > Fail2Ban on a couple of dozen servers may not be sufficient to address 400 > gigs of traffic. > > Also, also.. keep in mind that 'fail2ban' does some processing on the log messages to which it MAY take action. It's taking, essentially, untr

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread K. Scott Helms
I'm going to be reaching out to both of the organizations you listed, but I don't see any of their documentation mentioning SIP, RTP, or any of the "normal" VOIP protocols or use cases. Scott Helms On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:18 AM Ray Orsini wrote: > Yes there are. I was about to message Steve

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Tim Howe
Forgive the top post... This issue /can/ be complicated, but I have some direct experience with a lot of variations on this. It sounds like this particular situation might involve equipment that is part of a Metro ring. This is pretty nice because it might mean there is redundanc

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Brandon Svec via NANOG
Everything is negotiable. The building owner/representative can negotiate with the telco any terms they wish. On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:30 AM wrote: > A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s > fiber distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. M

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Matt Erculiani
If they're regularly sending people out to maintain the gear, and saying it's part of a "ring" that means it's probably part of their infrastructure and not just a local customer edge device for the building. If you opt to bill them and they decide to pull out, they're still "on-net" meaning at any

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Shawn L via NANOG
This one is always a bit tricky. For example, if you have an apartment building with say 8 apartments, the provider can install a larger MDU in a centralized location and potentially utilized existing internal cabling in the building to get to each apartment that would like service. It's a

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 9/22/21 10:45 AM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: Half-penny pinching “mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a cosmic sense I know someone who had a bit of a different experience. Someone, purportedly the telco but I'm not sure who, had telco equipment in a building

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Aaron Wendel
The building owner has no obligation to the provider.  If it provides no value, call them and tell them to remove the equipment if you don't want it in your building. Aaron On 9/22/2021 11:23 AM, jra...@gmail.com wrote: A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:29 AM wrote: > A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s fiber > distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. My > understanding is that when one of these links go down, (we’ve occasionally > had to interrupt circuit power

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread sronan
It gives them the right to enter the building, but the building can charge “a reasonable fee” for things like power/space/cooling. Shane Ronan > On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE > wrote: > > Fiber in a building adds 8% to the value of that building. Half-p

QVC Contact

2021-09-22 Thread Joshua Pool via NANOG
Does anyone have technical contacts for QVC? Our customers are getting Access Denied across all of our subnets. We need to get this resolved and I am looking for anyone that has some contacts as calling their phone number and leaving messages as well as emailing their noc has resulted in crick

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-22 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2021-09-19 09:20, Masataka Ohta wrote: John Levine wrote: Unless their infrastructure runs significantly on hardware and software pre-2004 (unlikely), so does the cost of adding IPv6 to their content servers. Especially if they’re using a CDN such as Akamai. I wasn't talking about switches

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Fiber in a building adds 8% to the value of that building. Half-penny pinching “mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a cosmic sense - and just make me want to replace them. The telecommunications act of 1934 permits telcos to enter a building with their equipment. I’d upgrade the

Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

2021-09-22 Thread jray06
A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco's fiber distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. My understanding is that when one of these links go down, (we've occasionally had to interrupt circuit power to do maintenance in a building for one reason or

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread Compton, Rich A
FYI, UTRS (Unwanted Traffic Removal Service https://team-cymru.com/community-services/utrs/) from Team Cymru is a free service where you can send a blackhole advertisement (sacrificing the one IP that’s under attack to save the rest of the network) and they will propagate that via BGP to hundre

Re: DNS & IP address management

2021-09-22 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:15 AM Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Joel, > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:12:26AM -0400, Joel Sommers wrote: > > Besides the common "reserved" keyword in the FQDN, we also see > > names like "not-in-use.example.tld", again with quite a few > > addresses all mapped to that one n

Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Fail2Ban on a couple of dozen servers may not be sufficient to address 400 gigs of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Terrance Devor" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "NA

Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread Terrance Devor
Fail2Ban and give ourselves a pat on the back.. On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:12 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > https://twit.tv/shows/security-now/episodes/837?autostart=false > > > It looks like Security Now covered this yesterday. They claimed that, > "There is currently no provider of large pipe

Re: DNS & IP address management

2021-09-22 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Joel, On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:12:26AM -0400, Joel Sommers wrote: > Besides the common "reserved" keyword in the FQDN, we also see > names like "not-in-use.example.tld", again with quite a few > addresses all mapped to that one name. I assume you are seeing this by resolving the reverse DNS

QVC

2021-09-22 Thread Joshua Pool via NANOG
Does anyone have a technical contacts for QVC? Our customers are getting Access Denied across our entire /20. We need to get this resolved and I am looking for anyone that has some contacts as calling their phone number and leaving messages as well as emailing their noc has resulted in crickets

DNS & IP address management

2021-09-22 Thread Joel Sommers
Hello all - I am a researcher at Colgate University, working with colleagues at the University of Wisconsin and Boston University on studying aspects of the DNS. We're wondering if anyone here would be willing to share some insight into an apparent IP address management practice we have observe

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-22 Thread Masataka Ohta
Owen DeLong wrote: As mergers of ASes increases the number of announcements and IPv4 addresses were allocated a lot earlier than those of IPv6, comparing the current numbers of announcements is not meaningful. Mergers of ASes does not increase announcements in IPv4 nearly as much as slow-start

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread Ray Orsini
Yes there are. I was about to message Steve about the correction. Corero and path.net are options. There are others. Ray Orsini Chief Executive Officer OIT, LLC 305.967.6756 x1009 | 305.571.6272 r...@oit.co | www.oit.co oit.co/ray How are we doing? We'd love

Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread Mike Hammett
https://twit.tv/shows/security-now/episodes/837?autostart=false It looks like Security Now covered this yesterday. They claimed that, "There is currently no provider of large pipe VoIP protocol DDoS protection." Are any of the cloud DDoS mitigation services offering a service like this.

RE: [EXTERNAL] VoIP Provider DDoSes

2021-09-22 Thread Brian Turnbow via NANOG
Hi >Something you may want to consider is to put ACLs as far upstream as possible >from your SBCs and only allow through what you need to the SBCs.  For example, >apply a filter only permitting UDP 5060 and your RTP port range to your SBCs >and then blocking everything else.  This is free and s