RE: IPv6 deployment excuses

2016-07-01 Thread Gary Wardell
> > http://ipv6excuses.com/ That website only supports IPv4. Gary

Re: IPv6 deployment excuses

2016-07-01 Thread Jared Mauch
https://youtu.be/v26BAlfWBm8 Is always good for a reminder and laughs on a holiday weekend. Jared Mauch > On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Hugo Slabbert wrote: > > http://ipv6excuses.com/ > https://twitter.com/ipv6excuses

Re: IPv6 deployment excuses

2016-07-01 Thread Hugo Slabbert
From: Mike Jones -- Sent: 2016-07-01 - 12:52 > Hi, > > I am in contact with a couple of network operators trying to prod them > to deploy IPv6, I figured that 10 minutes to send a couple of emails > was worth the effort to make them "see a customer demand" (now none of > them can use

Re: IPv6 deployment excuses

2016-07-01 Thread Marcin Cieslak
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, Mike Jones wrote: > Hi, > > I am in contact with a couple of network operators trying to prod them > to deploy IPv6, I figured that 10 minutes to send a couple of emails > was worth the effort to make them "see a customer demand" (now none of > them can use the excuse that nob

IPv6 deployment excuses

2016-07-01 Thread Mike Jones
tworks off of this list so probably have broader experience than the NANOG archives. Can we have a thread summarising the most common excuses you've heard, and if they are actual problems blocking IPv6 deployment or just down to ignorance? Perhaps this could be the basis for an FAQ type page

Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-28 Thread Tarko Tikan
hey, I assume you have a star-network below the BNG? Ie no rings or similar in the access network? Most of our network below BNG is MPLS, so no, it's not a star per say. But as PWs are point-to-point, you are technically correct. Below MPLS there is some ethernet too and this is all strictly

Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-28 Thread Anders Löwinger
On 2014-12-27 17:37, Enno Rey wrote: > true, but some (most) of them only apply in networks where multicasting/ND is > fully supported which is not necessarily the case in the above type of > networks. Yes. I'm aware of the various types of solutions for security in IPv6 with shared VLANs. I was

Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-28 Thread Anders Löwinger
On 2014-12-27 17:27, Tarko Tikan wrote: > Split-horizon (switchport protected in Cisco world). Customers can't send > packets directly to each other, all communication has to go via BNG router. > Obviously we protect L2 as well like limiting number of MACs per customers, > make sure BNG MAC cannot

RE: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-27 Thread Phil Bedard
Phil -Original Message- From: "Anders Löwinger" Sent: ‎12/‎27/‎2014 11:17 AM To: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report On 2014-12-22 16:27, Tarko Tikan wrote: > Our access network is mix of DSL/GPON/wimax/p2p-ETH and broadband service is > d

Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-27 Thread Enno Rey
Hi, On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 05:15:13PM +0100, Anders L??winger wrote: > On 2014-12-22 16:27, Tarko Tikan wrote: > > > Our access network is mix of DSL/GPON/wimax/p2p-ETH and broadband service is > > deployed in shared service vlans. IPv6 traffic shares vlan with IPv4. > > How do you protect cust

Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-27 Thread Tarko Tikan
hey, How do you protect customers from each other? There are many nasty IPv6 attacks you can do when on a shared VLAN. Split-horizon (switchport protected in Cisco world). Customers can't send packets directly to each other, all communication has to go via BNG router. Obviously we protect L

Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-27 Thread Anders Löwinger
On 2014-12-22 16:27, Tarko Tikan wrote: > Our access network is mix of DSL/GPON/wimax/p2p-ETH and broadband service is > deployed in shared service vlans. IPv6 traffic shares vlan with IPv4. How do you protect customers from each other? There are many nasty IPv6 attacks you can do when on a shar

Re: Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-22 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello, folks! Tere from your customer FastVPS Eesti OU/AS198068! :) On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Tarko Tikan wrote: > hey, > > Some time ago, many people noticed rapid IPv6 deployment growth in Estonia > (from 0% to 5% in 4 weeks). We at 3249/Elion/Estonian Telecom were behind &

Estonian IPv6 deployment report

2014-12-22 Thread Tarko Tikan
hey, Some time ago, many people noticed rapid IPv6 deployment growth in Estonia (from 0% to 5% in 4 weeks). We at 3249/Elion/Estonian Telecom were behind this, other operators don't have any serious IPv6 deployments at the moment. We rolled out v6 to everyone (both business and reside

The 4th Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey is underway!

2013-07-16 Thread John Curran
NANOGers - If you have a moment, it would be helpful if you could complete the 4th annual Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey. Completion only takes a few minutes, and the data from the survey is useful in tracking progress and hurdles in IPv6 deployment. Thanks! /John

What would a Step-by-Step Framework for Planning an IPv6 Deployment Look Like?

2013-01-27 Thread Mukom Akong T.
ous', however I gave have detailed and have decided to provide a framework that anyone could use and would like to get critiques and suggestions on how to improve this for folks looking how to kickstart their IPv6 deployment project. http://techxcellence.net/2013/01/28/step-by-step-framewor

2012 Global IPv6 Deployment Survey - Please take a moment to complete!

2012-07-05 Thread John Curran
NANOG Folks - IPv6 - You may love it (or hate it) but either way it would be good to take just a few moments to complete the Global IPv6 Deployment Survey (see attached).The survey is being conducted in cooperation with the Regional Internet Registries in order to better

Re: WEBCAST: Is Asia Pacific and China doing well on IPv6 Deployment? - just started

2012-06-05 Thread Joly MacFie
> > ** > >[image: isoc-hk] <http://isoc.hk>The Internet Society's Hong Kong > Chapter (ISOC HK <http://www.isoc.hk/>), continuing its pioneering series > of IPv6 events, will mark today June 6 2012 Global IPv6 Launch with a > seminar: 'Is Asia Pacific

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15 apr 2011, at 12:21, Geoff Huston wrote: > The addresses were "in flight" to the recipient and got caught up in a set of > scripted processes that inappropriately assigned them into the debogon > project for a couple of days while some related administrative processes were > underway. > O

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-15 Thread Geoff Huston
On 14/04/2011, at 10:47 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 14 apr 2011, at 13:50, Tore Anderson wrote: > >>> This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from >>> the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason. > >> I believe they are using those prefixes for resea

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Skeeve Stevens
nity members to deploy IPv6 within their organizations. You can refer to APNIC for information regarding IPv6 deployment, statistics, training, and related regional policies at: http://www.apnic.net/ipv6 To apply for IPv6 addresses now, please visit:

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15 apr 2011, at 0:04, Skeeve Stevens wrote: > All… as of early this morning, APNIC is empty. Why do you say that? Do you have information that contradicts my numbers?

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Skeeve Stevens
All… as of early this morning, APNIC is empty. Last /8 Policy is now in effect. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists ske...@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeev

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Franck Martin
Recently, Microsoft Australia has been refused a temp allocation (like they had every year) for one of their conferences. On 4/15/11 9:01 , "Iljitsch van Beijnum" wrote: >On 14 apr 2011, at 13:02, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > >> Based on that file, APNIC still has 17.57 million regular + 2.27 M

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 14 apr 2011, at 13:02, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > Based on that file, APNIC still has 17.57 million regular + 2.27 M legacy = > 19.84 M total address space, so another 0.5 M wouldn't deplete what's left. I just got the 15 apr file which has the info for 14 apr (sigh...) and indeed 1100 bl

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 14, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 14 apr 2011, at 13:50, Tore Anderson wrote: > >>> This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from >>> the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason. > >> I believe they are using those prefixes for rese

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
> That is extremely curious. How can they justify taking 4 million addresses > for research two days before running out of regularly allocatable address > space? They could have taken that /10 out of the final /8 rather than taking > it from the last scraps of regular space if they really need a

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 14 apr 2011, at 13:50, Tore Anderson wrote: >> This is address space that's now marked as delegated and removed from >> the pile of unused address space for no obvious reason. > I believe they are using those prefixes for research. > and the delegated-extended file, it appears that these pref

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Tore Anderson
* Iljitsch van Beijnum > On 14 apr 2011, at 8:33, Tore Anderson wrote: > >> Actually, they're already empty. Chinanet Fujian Province Network >> allocated 498432 addresses today, spread out over 1102(!) >> individual prefixes in the range /21-/24. > > Where do you see this? On ftp.apnic.net I s

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 14 apr 2011, at 8:33, Tore Anderson wrote: > Actually, they're already empty. Chinanet Fujian Province Network > allocated 498432 addresses today, spread out over 1102(!) individual > prefixes in the range /21-/24. Where do you see this? On ftp.apnic.net I see delegated-apnic-20110414 which o

Re: How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-13 Thread Tore Anderson
* Graham Beneke > Only 0.3 of a /8 left[1] before the rationing policy kicks in. Hi, Actually, they're already empty. Chinanet Fujian Province Network allocated 498432 addresses today, spread out over 1102(!) individual prefixes in the range /21-/24. Unless any resources has been returned to th

How is IPv6 deployment going in the APNIC region?

2011-04-13 Thread Graham Beneke
Only 0.3 of a /8 left[1] before the rationing policy kicks in. I hope everyone is ready :-) [1] http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/graphical-information -- Graham Beneke

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-24 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 04:41:56PM -0500, Jack Bates wrote: > prefixes to the unnumbered interface. If you use dslam level controls, > you'll most likely being using DHCPv6 TA addressing with PD on top of it, > which works well. Most of which can support quick static/dynamic > capabilities as it

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-22 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/21/10 11:52 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> I can remember early network printers using bootp and the assuming that >> they could use that one ip address forever. today the printer will dhcp >> and advertise it's availability in the same broadcast domain and may >> well reregister it's name in dy

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Owen DeLong
> > I can remember early network printers using bootp and the assuming that > they could use that one ip address forever. today the printer will dhcp > and advertise it's availability in the same broadcast domain and may > well reregister it's name in dynamic dns if possible. Funny... I remember

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:35:50 +0200 Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Jack Bates wrote: > > Web portals work fine, and honestly, it's not like you need to switch > > subnets, either. PPPoE/A implementations work great, as they are already > > designed to utilize radiu

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/19/10 10:58 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: > * Joel Jaeggli (joe...@bogus.com) wrote: >> >> manual configuration of ip address name mappings seems like a >> rather low priority for the average home user... >> >> I don't expect that will be a big activity in the future either, >> more devices mean

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/18/10 4:20 PM, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote: >>> In IPv4-land I have the possibility to >>> reconnect and get a new unrelated ip-address every time. >>> >> >> They're issued by the same ISP, to they're related. > > Ups. Unrelated in the sens

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-20 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:30:07 +0200 Joakim Aronius wrote: > * Hannes Frederic Sowa (han...@mailcolloid.de) wrote: > > > > But most people just don't care. My proposal is to have some kind of > > sane defaults for them e.g. changing their prefix every week or in the > > case of a reconnect. This w

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Leen Besselink
On 08/19/2010 07:58 PM, Joakim Aronius wrote: * Joel Jaeggli (joe...@bogus.com) wrote: manual configuration of ip address name mappings seems like a rather low priority for the average home user... I don't expect that will be a big activity in the future either, more devices means less manu

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Joel Jaeggli (joe...@bogus.com) wrote: > > manual configuration of ip address name mappings seems like a rather low > priority for the average home user... > > I don't expect that will be a big activity in the future either, more > devices means less manual intervention not more. > Ok, ok, so

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/19/10 5:30 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: > * Hannes Frederic Sowa (han...@mailcolloid.de) wrote: >> >> But most people just don't care. My proposal is to have some kind of >> sane defaults for them e.g. changing their prefix every week or in the >> case of a reconnect. This would mitigate some of

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Jack Bates
Joakim Aronius wrote: But what about the internal communication in the customer premises? How do they connect to their NAS, media players, printers, TVs etc? Of course there is UPnP, DLNA and different other kinds of magic but I imagine that most home users actually configure IP addresses at some

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: > * Hannes Frederic Sowa (han...@mailcolloid.de) wrote: >> >> But most people just don't care. My proposal is to have some kind of >> sane defaults for them e.g. changing their prefix every week or in the >> case of a reconnect. This would mitig

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Hannes Frederic Sowa (han...@mailcolloid.de) wrote: > > But most people just don't care. My proposal is to have some kind of > sane defaults for them e.g. changing their prefix every week or in the > case of a reconnect. This would mitigate some of the many privacy > concerns in the internet a l

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Hannes Frederic Sowa
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Jack Bates wrote: > Web portals work fine, and honestly, it's not like you need to switch > subnets, either. PPPoE/A implementations work great, as they are already > designed to utilize radius backends to quickly alter static/dynamic on a > session. For bridging s

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Hannes Frederic Sowa
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > They help because you're concerned about privacy. You didn't qualify > that you're only concerned about privacy from geolocation services, so > I described a mechanism that would provide you as much privacy as > possible, while also being automa

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Mark Smith
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:04:47 +0930 Mark Smith wrote: > On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:12:19 +0200 > Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > As the first IPv6 deployments for end-users are in the planning stage > > in Germany, I realized I have not found any BCP for handling > > addressing in

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Jack Bates
Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: the other one will be dynamically allocated. I have no clue how the user would switch between these subnets (without using some kind of command line tools). Web portals work fine, and honestly, it's not like you need to switch subnets, either. PPPoE/A implementation

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Mark Smith
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:18:00 +0200 Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > Haven't really thought about it before. > > > > One thing to consider is that unless the preferred and valid lifetimes > > of an IPv6 prefix are set to infinity, IPv6 prefixes

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Hannes Frederic Sowa
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Haven't really thought about it before. > > One thing to consider is that unless the preferred and valid lifetimes > of an IPv6 prefix are set to infinity, IPv6 prefixes are always dynamic > - they'll eventually expire unless they're refreshed.

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Mark Smith
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:12:19 +0200 Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > Hello! > > As the first IPv6 deployments for end-users are in the planning stage > in Germany, I realized I have not found any BCP for handling > addressing in those scenarios. IPv6 will make it a lot easier for > static address de

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Marco Hogewoning
On 18 aug 2010, at 09:35, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Marco Hogewoning wrote: >> >> On 18 aug 2010, at 01:12, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: >> >>> prefer static addressing. But in the world of facebook and co. I >>> wonder if it would be a better to let the use

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Hannes Frederic Sowa
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > For people who want to use DNS and run services, they'll most likely want a > static address/subnet that doesn't change in the first place (even though it > should be handed out via DHCPv6-PD for ease). If someone wants to be > anonymous

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-18 Thread Hannes Frederic Sowa
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Marco Hogewoning wrote: > > On 18 aug 2010, at 01:12, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > >> prefer static addressing. But in the world of facebook and co. I >> wonder if it would be a better to let the user have the choice. A > > What does facebook have to do with it ?

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-17 Thread Marco Hogewoning
On 18 aug 2010, at 01:12, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > prefer static addressing. But in the world of facebook and co. I > wonder if it would be a better to let the user have the choice. A What does facebook have to do with it ? Ever heard of cookies ? MarcoH

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-17 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: Did you reach any conclusion on this matter? Let the user choose. Here in Sweden we've for 10 years had ISPs offering static IPv4 address (either handed out via DHCP or just plain static with no dynamics what so ever) and some users prefer tha

end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-17 Thread Hannes Frederic Sowa
Hello! As the first IPv6 deployments for end-users are in the planning stage in Germany, I realized I have not found any BCP for handling addressing in those scenarios. IPv6 will make it a lot easier for static address deployments but I wonder weather this is in the best sense for the customers. A

FW: [ipv6-wg] 2010 IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey Now Underway

2010-06-24 Thread Mark Kosters
ARIN encourages its community to participate in the 2010 Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey being conducted by GNKS Consult and TNO and sponsored by the RIPE NCC. The survey is now available at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/IPv6deploymentmonitoring2010 The survey will close on 1 July

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-10 Thread Tim Durack
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > I'm puzzled as to why you might think that this would incentivise > meaningful deployment of ipv6. > > Nick > > It removes the hurdle of working with the RIR and/or getting management buy-in to go negotiate for number resources. (Our pers

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-10 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 10/04/2010 21:36, Tim Durack wrote: > Notify all holders of a currently active AS they have been > allocated/assigned a /32. No fees. No questions. > > To accept the allocation/assignment, it must be advertised within a 24 > month period. > > There is no shortage of available /32s in 2000::/3.

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-10 Thread Tim Durack
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:40 AM, William Herrin wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in >>> it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a sm

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:40 AM, William Herrin wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in >> it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. >> >> http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/48/8/449

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-10 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in > it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. > > http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/48/8/44961688.pdf John, I'd like to call your attention to slide 8

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-10 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 4/10/10 1:42 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> You should have seen the CNN experiment on cyber attack... > > you mean the failed chertoff/cheney wanna make the news clueless crap? > puhleeze! the fcc has more guns than that mob had clue. unfortunately, the failed chertoff/cheney celebrants of the "c

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-10 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/9/2010 23:23, Franck Martin wrote: > http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100409_oecd_reports_on_state_of_ipv6_deployment_for_policy_makers/ > > Nasty, degenerate, foot-dragging U.S. of A. does it again. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-09 Thread Randy Bush
> You should have seen the CNN experiment on cyber attack... you mean the failed chertoff/cheney wanna make the news clueless crap? puhleeze! the fcc has more guns than that mob had clue. randy

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-09 Thread Franck Martin
tell the operators what to do... - Original Message - From: "Jorge Amodio" To: "Randy Bush" Cc: "Franck Martin" , nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, 10 April, 2010 4:49:18 PM Subject: Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers > karine pers

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-09 Thread Jorge Amodio
> karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in > it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. On of the best parts of her presentation: "Government’s role *is not about regulation*, but about working with technical experts and business to: •Role

Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-09 Thread Randy Bush
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100409_oecd_reports_on_state_of_ipv6_deployment_for_policy_makers/ > karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/48/8/44961688.pdf ran

OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers

2010-04-09 Thread Franck Martin
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100409_oecd_reports_on_state_of_ipv6_deployment_for_policy_makers/

IPv6 deployment scenarios

2010-01-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi, Sheng Jiang (Huawei) and Brian Carpenter (University of Auckland, research consultant to Huawei) are currently running a questionnaire on IPv6 deployment, addressed to every ISP. The purpose is to provide facts for a document about deployment scenarios that we are drafting for discussion in

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-11-23 Thread Michael Widerkrantz
Vasil Kolev , 2009-10-22 21:03 (+0200): > how should we provide DNS and other useful information for the V6 only > people? What Router Advertisment server did you use? The radvd server supports RFC 5006, an extension to vanilla RA that gives an address to a resolving DNS server (RDNSS). Granted,

RE: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-11-07 Thread TJ
: Bernhard Schmidt; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN It's not all that easy unless the dude has hacked the device driver. Owen DeLong wrote: > And of course, a rogue RA station would _NEVER_ mess with that bit > in what it transmits... > > Uh, yeah

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-11-07 Thread Richard Bennett
It's not all that easy unless the dude has hacked the device driver. Owen DeLong wrote: And of course, a rogue RA station would _NEVER_ mess with that bit in what it transmits... Uh, yeah. Owen On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Richard Bennett wrote: The Wi-Fi MAC protocol has a pair of header

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-11-07 Thread Owen DeLong
And of course, a rogue RA station would _NEVER_ mess with that bit in what it transmits... Uh, yeah. Owen On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Richard Bennett wrote: The Wi-Fi MAC protocol has a pair of header bits that mean "from AP" and "to AP." In ad-hoc mode, a designated station acts as an AP

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-11-07 Thread Bernhard Schmidt
Adrian Chadd wrote: >> As already said, wireless in infrastructure mode (with access points) >> always sends traffic between clients through the access point, so a >> decent AP can filter this. > How does the client determine that the traffic came from the AP versus > another client? I'm not exa

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-11-07 Thread Richard Bennett
The Wi-Fi MAC protocol has a pair of header bits that mean "from AP" and "to AP." In ad-hoc mode, a designated station acts as an AP, so that's nothing special. There are a couple of non-AP modes for direct link exchanges and peer-to-peer exchances that probably don't set "from AP" b

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-29 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:40:46 +0900 Randy Bush wrote: > >> This would be a big mistake. Fate sharing between the device that > >> advertises the presence of a router and the device that forwards > >> packets makes RAs much more robust than DHCPv4. > > No, what we want are better first hop redundan

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-28 Thread Owen DeLong
This is unusual, but, I have to agree with Randy here. Owen On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Amen to that Randy. MMC Randy Bush wrote: This would be a big mistake. Fate sharing between the device that advertises the presence of a router and the device that forwards

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-28 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Amen to that Randy. MMC Randy Bush wrote: This would be a big mistake. Fate sharing between the device that advertises the presence of a router and the device that forwards packets makes RAs much more robust than DHCPv4. No, what we want are better first hop redundancy protocols, and DH

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-28 Thread Randy Bush
>> This would be a big mistake. Fate sharing between the device that >> advertises the presence of a router and the device that forwards packets >> makes RAs much more robust than DHCPv4. > No, what we want are better first hop redundancy protocols, and DHCP for > v6, so that everyone who has extra

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-28 Thread Andy Davidson
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > This would be a big mistake. Fate sharing between the device that > advertises the presence of a router and the device that forwards packets > makes RAs much more robust than DHCPv4. No, what we want are better first hop redundancy protocols, and DHCP for v6, so that

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-26 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 20:48 -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> the mac address of the rouge server > > > > It's R-O-G-U-E - rogue. > > Rouge is French for red and English for red make-up. Also the name of the Ford assembly plant at which the Monday

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-25 Thread Scott Morris
Could have been a server in drag? ;) Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 20:48 -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> the mac address of the rouge server >> > > > > It's R-O-G-U-E - rogue. > > Rouge is French for red and English for red make-up. > > > > Regards, K. > >

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:33:34 +1100 Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 20:48 -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > the mac address of the rouge server > > > > It's R-O-G-U-E - rogue. > > Rouge is French for red and English for red make-up. > > > Also the colour of the faces of angry net adm

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-24 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 20:48 -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > the mac address of the rouge server It's R-O-G-U-E - rogue. Rouge is French for red and English for red make-up. Regards, K. -- ~~~ Karl Auer (ka...@biplane.com.au)

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On wireless networks you can note the mac address of the rouge server and dissociate it from the wireless network, this is rather similar to what we did on switches prior to dhcp protection, it is reactive but it certainly can be automatic. Some controller based wireless systems have ips or nac fu

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Perry Lorier
I think for very small/small networks anycast requires a lot of overhead and understanding. If your big enough to do anycast and/or loadbalancing it's not hard for you to put all three addresses onto one device. Anycast isn't really hard - same address, multiple places, routers see wha

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread David W. Hankins
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:50:47PM +1300, Perry Lorier wrote: > I've implemented myself a system which firewalled all ARP within the AP and > queried the DHCP server asking for the correct MAC for that lease then sent > the ARP back (as well as firewalling DHCP servers and the like). It's > qui

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread TJ
> > I figured was a good candidate since it's already partially in use >> for >> reserved special addresses. > > But in a totally non-routable fashion, as it stands today. ULA's have the immediate benefit of being routable, but not globally so - and (hopefully) already being in filter lists t

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Owen DeLong said: > Please remember that IPv6 DNS is OFTEN not stateless as the replies > are commonly too large for UDP. Anything that supports IPv6 _should_ also support EDNS0. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anyb

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:45 AM, TJ wrote: WRT "Anycast DNS"; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using :::1 FWIW - I think simple anycast fits that bill. I th

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:08 AM, Perry Lorier wrote: WRT "Anycast DNS"; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using :::1 I personally would suggest getting a well known U

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread Joe Maimon
Owen DeLong wrote: On Oct 22, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Joe Maimon wrote: NAT wasnt a component of IPv4 until it was already had widespread adoption. I remain completely unconvinced that people will not continue to perceive value in PAT6 between their private and their public subnets. People may

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread TJ
WRT "Anycast DNS"; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? > > You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using :::1 >>> >> FWIW - I think simple anycast fits that bill. >> >> >> > I think for very

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread TJ
> WRT "Anycast DNS"; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? Needs an acronym ... off the top of my head, something like ASPEN - Anycast Service Provisioning for Enterprise Networks ... ? (Although it could be appropriate for an ISP-HomeUser as well ... hmmm, SPATULA - Service Provisio

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Perry Lorier
TJ wrote: WRT "Anycast DNS"; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using :::1 FWIW - I think simple anycast fits that bill. I think for very small/small

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread Perry Lorier
WRT "Anycast DNS"; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using :::1 I personally would suggest getting a well known ULA-C allocation assigned to IANA, then use :::1 :::2 a

RE: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-22 Thread TJ
> >> WRT "Anycast DNS"; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? > > You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and > > load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using :::1 FWIW - I think simple anycast fits that bill. > > I personally would suggest getting a well kno

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