Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was =?UTF-8?Q?:=20Fire, =20Power=20loss =20at=20Fisher=20Plaza=20in=20Seattle) ?=

2009-07-07 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 6, 2009, at 11:08 AM, ne...@enginehosting.com wrote: On Monday, July 6, 2009 10:00am, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu said: However it doesn't scale Anyone who's seen the fail whale might argue the same about Twitter. Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was =?UTF-8?Q?:=20Fire, =20Power=20loss =20at=20Fisher=20Plaza=20in=20Seattle) ?=

2009-07-07 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Marc Manthey wrote: However it doesn't scale Anyone who's seen the fail whale might argue the same about Twitter. Just to add something to this, twitter has been slow all afternoon and now I am getting the fail whale I just thought I would point out in

Re: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was : Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-07 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Mikael Abrahamssonswm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Marshall Eubanks wrote: In a real crisis, redundancy rules. ... and simplicity. It's always fun when those outages pages rely on sql backends etc, so they're capable of tens or hundreds of users,

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was =?UTF-8?Q?:=20Fire, =20Power=20loss =20at=20Fisher=20Plaza=20in=20Seattle) ?=

2009-07-07 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Marshall Eubanks wrote: In a real crisis, redundancy rules. ... and simplicity. It's always fun when those outages pages rely on sql backends etc, so they're capable of tens or hundreds of users, so they look fine

Re: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was : Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-07 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Brandon Galbraith wrote: http://www.coralcdn.org/ Nice, looks very much like the thing I was advocating. Hard part is getting authorities et al interested in such an ad hoc solution. Preferrably they could do both and then we can see which one works best in an emergency

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-06 Thread Michael Holstein
However it doesn't scale Anyone who's seen the fail whale might argue the same about Twitter. Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was =?UTF-8?Q?:=20Fire, =20Power=20loss=20at=20Fisher=20Plaza=20in=20Seattle)?=

2009-07-06 Thread nevin
On Monday, July 6, 2009 10:00am, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu said: However it doesn't scale Anyone who's seen the fail whale might argue the same about Twitter. Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University With a past week of highly visible outages in the

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 4a4fc4f3.2010...@rollernet.us, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us writes Twitter will attract the what's cool right now demographic. But has it gone from cool to useful (for this kind of application), in a way that Facebook and other such sites haven't? I remember an employer of

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009, Roland Perry wrote: Unfortunately, the number of students polling the website for news means it can't cope with the traffic. I don't believe they can justify paying more for better web hosting, just to manage this once-a-year half hour event. Is Twitter making a

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 4a4fd58b.2000...@gmail.com, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com writes Even easier, you make an email address on your system that is an alias to posterous. So they send to p...@schoolsystem.edu which .forwards out to posterous, which posts to the school blog, myspace, facebook,

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: Is Twitter making a profit or not? The other consideration is scalability and reliability. Twitter has been subject to numerous feature disablements due to capacity issues, as well as complete outages. Furthermore, Twitter does not appear

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009, Roland Perry wrote: Unfortunately, the number of students polling the website for news means it can't cope with the traffic. I don't believe they can justify paying more for better web hosting, just to manage this

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Marc Manthey
Is Twitter making a profit or not? The other consideration is scalability and reliability. Twitter has been subject to numerous feature disablements due to capacity issues, as well as complete outages. Furthermore, Twitter does not appear to be deployed in a distributed,

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Steve Pirk
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Roland Perry wrote: There's the temptation by some of companies to leverage the latest technology to appear cool and in tune with customers, but by far and large, when something goes down customers either do no nothing, wait, or call in. I think the best use of everyone's

RE: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Joe Blanchard
school websties/services that will die out in the next year or so. -Original Message- From: Steve Pirk [mailto:or...@pirk.com] Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:43 AM To: Roland Perry Cc: na...@merit.edu Subject: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Roland

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Roland Perry wrote: In article 4a4fd58b.2000...@gmail.com, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com writes Even easier, you make an email address on your system that is an alias to posterous. So they send to p...@schoolsystem.edu which .forwards out to posterous, which

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 11:01:43AM +0100, Roland Perry wrote: [snow day notifications] Unfortunately, the number of students polling the website for news means it can't cope with the traffic. I don't believe they can justify paying more for better web hosting, just to manage this

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Aleksandr Milewski wrote: On 7/4/09 7:50 AM, Roland Perry wrote: What I'm trying to anticipate is the objection to *also* posting to Twitter, which might be raised on the grounds that it's too unofficial, or unsupported or something like that. Anecdotal, of course, but I found twitter to

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 0d357934-85de-4935-8f58-02f5fcc1d...@americafree.tv, Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv writes I would say this partially would depend on how and what you want to communicate. If there is just going to be one pronouncement per day (the school is up / down / delayed), then

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 20090705101237.gc14...@skywalker.creative.net.au, Adrian Chadd adr...@creative.net.au writes Is Twitter making a profit or not? This discussion about (ab)using a publicly available message system which isn't currently being charged for would makes me worried^Wamused as hell. I've

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 9589b202-ed92-4c49-98ee-eebaa43c8...@americafree.tv, Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv writes as I said before, this is a service that goes down. I would not rely on it as the only way to communicate. I'd be proposing it as an additional way to communicate[1], but people could

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article pine.lnx.4.64.0907050334130.23...@mail.pirk.com, Steve Pirk or...@pirk.com writes It's a High School. They don't have a support desk (or more than handful of phone lines [1]). Even the local radio station can't cope with one call per school asking them to broadcast the news that

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 20090705113248.gp1...@hezmatt.org, Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org writes There are web hosting providers whose 18c/year hosting plans can't handle a few thousand requests to a static page over a period of maybe 15 minutes without falling over? The mind boggles. Apparently so.

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 4a50a3c9.3080...@airwire.ie, Martin List-Petersen mar...@airwire.ie writes for those type of notifications, it's perfect, also because it's not part of your own infrastructure. From an operational resilience point of view, that's a very important feature. -- Roland Perry

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Roland Perry wrote: In article 4a50a3c9.3080...@airwire.ie, Martin List-Petersen mar...@airwire.ie writes for those type of notifications, it's perfect, also because it's not part of your own infrastructure. From an operational resilience point of view, that's a very important feature.

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Roland Perry
In article 4a50acb7.6070...@airwire.ie, Martin List-Petersen mar...@airwire.ie writes Calling it a lame web 2.0 is pretty much off, when it's actually used for something sensible. I seem to be trying to find the middle ground between members of the public who think The Internet isn't

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Roland Perry wrote: In article 4a50acb7.6070...@airwire.ie, Martin List-Petersen mar...@airwire.ie writes Calling it a lame web 2.0 is pretty much off, when it's actually used for something sensible. I seem to be trying to find the middle ground between members of the public who think The

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread JC Dill
Roland Perry wrote: There's the temptation by some of companies to leverage the latest technology to appear cool and in tune with customers, but by far and large, when something goes down customers either do no nothing, wait, or call in. I think the best use of everyone's time is to make sure

RE: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Skywing
to begin with. Diminishing returns?) - S -Original Message- From: JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 08:18 Cc: na...@merit.edu na...@merit.edu Subject: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification Roland Perry wrote: There's the temptation by some of companies

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Benjamin Billon
Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 08:18 Cc: na...@merit.edu na...@merit.edu Subject: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification Roland Perry wrote: There's the temptation by some of companies to leverage the latest technology to appear cool and in tune with customers

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-05 Thread Neil
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Roland Perry li...@internetpolicyagency.com wrote: In article 4a50acb7.6070...@airwire.ie, Martin List-Petersen mar...@airwire.ie writes Calling it a lame web 2.0 is pretty much off, when it's actually used for something sensible. I seem to be trying to

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2009-07-05 Thread jamie rishaw
How do I configure my router for that? Router(config)# no ML jibber-jabber ^ % Invalid input detected at 'twitter' marker. -j -- Jamie Rishaw // .com.a...@j - reverse it. ish. [Impressive C-level Title Here], arpa / arpa labs

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Brandon Butterworth
Paying a lot more to host the website with higher burst capacity during an emergency, isn't an option. The only other idea I've had is to sign all the customers up to receive an SMS via some sort of broadcast service (the news will fit easily in one SMS). If the event is suitably

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Roland Perry
In article 200907041222.naa23...@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk, Brandon Butterworth bran...@rd.bbc.co.uk writes Paying a lot more to host the website with higher burst capacity during an emergency, isn't an option. The only other idea I've had is to sign all the customers up to receive an SMS via some

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Roland Perry wrote: In article 786ba8c0-b534-40ff-9126-1e33bd11c...@americafree.tv, Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv writes That's a great idea, use some lame Web 2.0 trend to communicate with actual real life customers. /sarcasm I would assume they figured

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread JC Dill
Roland Perry wrote: In article 786ba8c0-b534-40ff-9126-1e33bd11c...@americafree.tv, Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv writes That's a great idea, use some lame Web 2.0 trend to communicate with actual real life customers. /sarcasm I would assume they figured it was better than just

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Roland Perry
In article f832a12a-0aed-4a01-955d-e24dca618...@americafree.tv, Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv writes That's a great idea, use some lame Web 2.0 trend to communicate with actual real life customers. /sarcasm I would assume they figured it was better than just remaining silent. I'm

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Personally, I find it difficult to take Twitter seriously. It seems like more of a kids toy than a business tool. Something like a blogspot account would make a lot more sense. Jeff On 7/4/09, Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv wrote: On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Roland Perry wrote: In

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Roland Perry
In article 4a4f5e3c.5040...@gmail.com, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com writes That's a great idea, use some lame Web 2.0 trend to communicate with actual real life customers. /sarcasm I would assume they figured it was better than just remaining silent. I'm about to recommend to an

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le samedi 04 juillet 2009 à 10:47 -0400, Jeffrey Lyon a écrit : Personally, I find it difficult to take Twitter seriously. It seems like more of a kids toy than a business tool. Something like a blogspot account would make a lot more sense. Yes. What about (continue to) use old email (inc

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread JC Dill
Roland Perry wrote: What I'm trying to anticipate is the objection to *also* posting to Twitter, which might be raised on the grounds that it's too unofficial, or unsupported or something like that. Anyone who makes that argument is just showing how little they know about Twitter. It would

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Roland Perry
In article 16720fe00907040747k67ca1206kb871420deb5e8...@mail.gmail.com, Jeffrey Lyon jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net writes Personally, I find it difficult to take Twitter seriously. It seems like more of a kids toy than a business tool. Something like a blogspot account would make a lot more

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Roland Perry
In article 4a4f6ef5.9030...@gmail.com, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com writes What I'm trying to anticipate is the objection to *also* posting to Twitter, which might be raised on the grounds that it's too unofficial, or unsupported or something like that. Anyone who makes that argument is

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Chris Hills
On 04/07/09 17:07, Roland Perry wrote: That's the kind of marketing-led response I was hoping to hear. But the UK National Rail system now uses Tweets to tell customers about disruptions on the trains, and several major UK government departments and news organisations use it for announcements

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification (was: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle)

2009-07-04 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le samedi 04 juillet 2009 à 16:58 +0200, Michael Hallgren a écrit : Le samedi 04 juillet 2009 à 10:47 -0400, Jeffrey Lyon a écrit : Personally, I find it difficult to take Twitter seriously. It seems like more of a kids toy than a business tool. Something like a blogspot account would make

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread mike
Roland Perry wrote: In article 16720fe00907040747k67ca1206kb871420deb5e8...@mail.gmail.com, Jeffrey Lyon jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net writes Personally, I find it difficult to take Twitter seriously. It seems like more of a kids toy than a business tool. Something like a blogspot account

RE: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Frank Bulk
-Original Message- From: Roland Perry [mailto:li...@internetpolicyagency.com] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:38 AM To: na...@merit.edu Subject: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification In article h2ns2s$kc...@ger.gmane.org, Chris Hills c...@chaz6.com writes That's the kind

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Seth Mattinen
Frank Bulk wrote: When the local power companies uses twitter, then maybe I'll consider using twitter for our customers. There's the temptation by some of companies to leverage the latest technology to appear cool and in tune with customers, but by far and large, when something goes down

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 03:59:48PM -0500, Frank Bulk wrote: When the local power companies uses twitter, then maybe I'll consider using twitter for our customers. During the ice storm we had here last winter, the local power company did just that. psnh ice storm twitter etc are all good search

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Warren Bailey
Why aren't you all out getting drunk like me?? ;) - Original Message - From: Mark E. Mallett m...@mv.mv.com To: Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com Cc: na...@merit.edu na...@merit.edu Sent: Sat Jul 04 13:12:14 2009 Subject: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 03

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Stefan
For DR issues (among many others, of course) think of Twitter as a paging system of global proportions: not a lot to be said, but if you get the message right its broadcast and amplification capabilities are unmatched. -- ***Stefan http://twitter.com/netfortius On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM,

RE: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Frank Bulk
mentioned that yourself a few posts ago. =) Frank -Original Message- From: JC Dill [mailto:jcdill.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:20 PM Cc: na...@merit.edu Subject: Re: Using twitter as an outage notification Roland Perry wrote: In article 4a4f6ef5.9030...@gmail.com, JC Dill

RE: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
-Original Message- From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:51 PM To: 'JC Dill' Cc: na...@merit.edu Subject: RE: Using twitter as an outage notification So does twitter address the mass public, [TLB:] The whole point of Twitter is that it works

Re: Using twitter as an outage notification

2009-07-04 Thread Michael Painter
- Original Message - From: Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: RE: Using twitter as an outage notification When the local power companies uses twitter, then maybe I'll consider using twitter for our customers. There's the temptation by some of companies