On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 07:56:03AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
You don't think about the size of power lines coming into a house
as they are overkill for just about anything you will do in the
house.
You don't think about the size of water pipes coming into a house
as they are overkill for
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:46:52 AM
Subject: Re: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 07:56:03AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
You don't think about the size of power lines coming into a house
as they are overkill for just about anything
On 15-06-26 14:04, Hank Disuko wrote:
Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto
with the World's Fastest Internet™.
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
BTW, initally, Bell limits it to
On 30 June 2015 at 22:32, Jean-Francois Mezei jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca
wrote:
BTW, initally, Bell limits it to 940mbps.
940 Mbps is what speedtest.net will give you on a linespeed 1 Gbps
connection. That sounds more like marketing people trying to understand
overhead.
Regards,
Baldur
On Jun 26, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br wrote:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single
person
it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics,
going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your
Use wireless. There are reasonably priced point to point bridges available.
--
Keith Stokes
On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:18 PM, Peter Kristolaitis alte...@alter3d.ca wrote:
On 6/26/2015 7:26 PM, Joe Abley wrote:
On 26 Jun 2015, at 15:04, Hank Disuko wrote:
Bell Canada is apparently gearing
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:35:40 -0500, mikea said:
And just possibly for more than seven computers on the continent.
Note that there's scant evidence that Thomas Watson actually said it - and more
evidence that others said something similar. Also, given that during that
timeframe there was already
Based on our 1Gbps residential customers usage, I believe you just sit at home
and run speedtest all day.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br wrote:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill.
Good for you.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Irwin, Kevin kevin.ir...@cinbell.com
wrote:
Based on our 1Gbps residential customers usage, I believe you just sit at
home and run speedtest all day.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br wrote:
Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan.
Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/
If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/
Eric
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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko
Sent:
But what about us in Northwestern Ontario who can only get dialup, if that,
from Bell?
On Jun 26, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote:
Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan.
Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Rafael Possamai wrote:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics,
going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average
transfer rate, at least I don't
Its mostly marketing, a number of years ago I worked for a cable co, we
knew if we increased BW X we'd see a Y speed increase in usage. We also
has done the math on several future generations of upgrades, so we'd know
if phone company increases to A we'd move to B. I know the guy that did
the
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics,
going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average
transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to
comment?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:30:05PM -0400, A MEKKAOUI wrote:
Your right. Actually, Bell knows that home does not need that much
BW, Bell size their network for much less than that. However, from a
marketing perspective, when Bell says to a client I am offering you
1G at $100 and competition are
Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
To: Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:57:29 PM
Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet
On 26/Jun/15 23:11, mikea wrote:
Define need. On the average, I probably don't need more than 56 KBaud,
integrated over all the years I've been linked to the 'Net from home. Would I
be willing to put up with it? Hell, no! Would I be willing to put up with 10
Gig to the house for what I'm
On Jun 26, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote:
Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why
would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no
residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much
Parkinson's law of sorts? Use expanding to fill the bandwidth available
One kid with a torrent downloading random stuff, streaming hd and music off the
internet etc and a family of four can make decent inroads into gigabit or so I
would have thought
Don't even start counting say a gb here and
On 06/26/2015 12:03 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Personally I think it's pure marketing ... something I think we all
know...
I seen a few years back a FTTH development get completed using GPON -
everything in the area got Full Gig Internet. Speedtest while I
was onsite showed about 900Mb/s download
[mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Rafael Possamai
Sent: 26 juin 2015 14:39
To: Eric Dugas
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it
is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 01:06:26PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 26, 2015, at 13:02 , Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill.
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use?
we once asked how a home user would use 56kb, how anyone needed more
than 640k in a pee cee, how we would need more than 32 bits in an
address.
the only thing not rising is water levels. except the ocean, that is.
randy
We recently had to pull some year over year statistics on consumption
for a regulatory filing.
In 2009, our average customer used 11G of data. This year it is
85G. In 5 years it could be 400G or more.
What's worse is, OTT video means that consumption is more than likely
going to be at
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:01:38PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why
would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is
no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less
10,000
Like Peter Lothberg's mother's home :)
--srs
On 27-Jun-2015, at 12:22 am, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote:
And yes, fastest Internet in the world is pure BS, gigabit ethernet access
to peoples homes have been around for years in other places
On 26 June 2015 at 11:04, Hank Disuko gourmetci...@hotmail.com wrote:
Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto
with the World's Fastest Internet™.
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Only
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Rafael Possamai wrote:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics,
going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average
transfer rate, at least I don't
[mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Rafael Possamai
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:39 PM
To: Eric Dugas
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it
is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity
On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill.
This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest
that single people or ordinary people or any other set of presumably
On Jun 26, 2015, at 13:02 , Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill.
This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote:
Its mostly marketing, a number of years ago I worked for a cable co, we
knew if we increased BW X we'd see a Y speed increase in usage. We also
has done the math on several future generations of upgrades, so we'd
know if phone company increases to A
On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:40 AM, TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote:
But what about us in Northwestern Ontario who can only get dialup, if that,
from Bell?
Seriously - write to your MP and MLA.
Landon Stewart
landonstew...@gmail.com
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That comment was made from a customer perspective (myself) while I wonder
if I ever would wanna pay for it, although it seems like it's pretty cheap
already. As an entrepreneur, business, etc... then yes, I agree. Shoot for
the stars and land on the moon. :)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Karl
The issue here is economics. 1G hardware is cheap, as in sub-$100 for
a 1G CPE with SMF in one side and RJ45 out the other.
Even if you decide to limit yourself at 100m or similar, if you build it at the
optics side, it is more expensive than building at 1G.
Because of this, 1G is the most
Good points. But just like I won't take more than one shower at a time, I
probably won't watch more than one Netflix stream session at a time
(assuming that for myself only). Downloading a large ISO image in seconds
is definitely a plus, although at the office I never reach a steady 120MB/s
from
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, Rafael Possamai writes:
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person
it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics,
going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't
On 26/Jun/15 23:56, Mark Andrews wrote:
Unfortunately ISP's have made it about link speed rather than what
it really is about because link speed was the limiting factor.
When 1Gbps becomes mainstream to the home, I think it will stop being
about link speed (well, for a while anyway, because
: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
To: Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:57:29 PM
Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use?
we once asked how a home user would use 56kb
10Gbps inside the home at an economical price for the phys means IP Multicast
can finally be a viable alternative (replacement for) HDMI.
No more will you connect one Blu-Ray player to One Amp to One TV. You’ll just
connect them all to ethernet.
Amps and TVs will have UIs which allow you to
On 26 Jun 2015, at 15:04, Hank Disuko wrote:
Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of
Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™.
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Bell Canada is in the
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Paul Stewart wrote:
The interesting part was that the development consisted of 4400 active
users the last time I heard but the bandwidth to upstream provider was
still only a single GigE and was not hitting serious saturation levels
most of the time.
I'd say for any
On 6/26/2015 7:26 PM, Joe Abley wrote:
On 26 Jun 2015, at 15:04, Hank Disuko wrote:
Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of
Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™.
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