RE: mail operators list

2007-11-01 Thread michael.dillon
The idea of dividing into specialties seems to upset a few people. I'm not sure if that's because they're afraid they'll miss some discussion, or if it's because they're afraid somebody will miss them discussing something. If the former, specialty lists shouldn't cause them any problems

RE: mail operators list

2007-11-01 Thread michael.dillon
I wonder whether a better solution might be to create a second NANOG list for all the non-core operational issues from mail to P2p to botnets. People who are only interested in the traditional NANOG core, can stay away. People who are interested in broader operational issues can join the

RE: Question for Lucy Lynch, SC Candidate

2007-10-16 Thread michael.dillon
Lucy, What is your opinion on Randy Bush's latest post to the NANOG List? I wonder, was Randy's message so cryptic that you didn't realize he was memorializing a fallen comrade? I wonder why Randy is driven to make everyone of his postings a combined IQ and trivia test, but since they are so

RE: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread michael.dillon
Anything that we can do to see a productive community meeting, a thoughtful election, and meetings with the SC, PC and MLC that lead to a better NANOG. Quite frankly, if you are one of the uninitiated, and that includes the managers that decide whether or not to fund someone's travel to a

RE: nanog-l moderation (was Re: Dead Thread was (Re: Security gain from NAT))

2007-06-07 Thread michael.dillon
* More statistics on mailing list usage: ** Top posters ** Top threads The IETF discuss list does this. It's a good idea, if it is posted to the list on a weekly basis. * Curious stats - number of unsubscriptions vs posts /day Somebody thinks that volume chases people away and looks for

RE: AUP enforcement, cont'd

2007-06-07 Thread michael.dillon
I fully agree with #7, and if everyone acted reasonably and polite, we wouldn't need rules at all. Unfortunately, we *do* need some sort of method to deal with ones who won't listen. What's wrong with private warnings to each offender? a) As I said above, I've asked [politely] to kill the

RE: AUP enforcement, cont'd

2007-06-07 Thread michael.dillon
As one of our resident experts on excessive posting (some of it even on topic), how do you suggest we approach the problem without acting dictatorial? Act editorial instead. --Michael Dillon

RE: meeting in the Dominican Republic

2007-02-27 Thread michael.dillon
perhaps we saw a huge attendance dip at Toronto the opposite even for non-canada source? i'm sure we saw .ca spike, but did we see .us dip? Can we get someone to plot attendee origin cities on a map for several recent NANOG meetings? It would be most interesting to compare the

RE: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-19 Thread michael.dillon
... and I've made a few suggestions about what the MLC could be doing. I'm also curious about 'acting professionally' - there's always the conflict between a person acting for the MLC, and for themselves, but still posting from the same location. In the case of that conflict, then simply

RE: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-19 Thread michael.dillon
Not worth it, bandwidth is not a cost here. Each message takes up about the same amount of space regardless of it's it 25 lines or 600. On every email client I have used, it is quick to glance at the first screenful of message, decide whether there is anything of interest and if not, delete

RE: Is there another NANOG somewhere?

2007-02-16 Thread michael.dillon
the copying and reposting of others' ideas and work, ... This is an odd comment to see regarding the NANOG mailing list. NANOG is not an academic research publishing venue. It is an information sharing venue for people working in Internet operations. Copying and reposting of others ideas