Re: The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Stephen Wilcox wrote: On 9 Oct 2007, at 18:39, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Stephen Wilcox wrote: i'm not sure that sounds like improvement. why cant the charter just allow them to decide a presentation is worth having without going through all the hoops that Paul mentions if its appropriate?

Re: The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-09 Thread William B. Norton
On 10/8/07, Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For instance: I made an offer a few weeks back to give a presentation on what ISPs could to do to help in fighting cyber crime. I was told that I need to follow this procedure and submit a proposal, etc., which is fine - I suppose. But it

Re: The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-09 Thread Stephen Wilcox
On 9 Oct 2007, at 16:57, William B. Norton wrote: On 10/8/07, Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For instance: I made an offer a few weeks back to give a presentation on what ISPs could to do to help in fighting cyber crime. I was told that I need to follow this procedure and submit

Re: The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-09 Thread William B. Norton
On 10/9/07, Stephen Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There is a charter amendment on the upcoming election to strike that text so the PC will have the ability to self manage their process of recruiting and selecting talks and speakers. One can envision for example a variety of program

Re: The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Oct-2007, at 1206, Stephen Wilcox wrote: i'm not sure that sounds like improvement. why cant the charter just allow them to decide a presentation is worth having without going through all the hoops that Paul mentions if its appropriate? I think the charter gives the PC lots of

Re: The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Stephen Wilcox wrote: i'm not sure that sounds like improvement. why cant the charter just allow them to decide a presentation is worth having without going through all the hoops that Paul mentions if its appropriate? I don't recall feeling particularly bound by the procedure. In the sense

The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-08 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I realized after I sent that message that it was unfair of me to make statements without properly characterizing them with context. Let me say this: I believe NANOG has very much lost touch with the base of it's constituency. For instance: I made an