Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-06 Thread chuckrr
7:29:22 PM To: "neonixie-l" Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp If the loop-gain is sufficiently low, any non-linearities at the output will get self-corrected (because of the negative feedback) at low-frequency. If the signal frequency is high-enough, or if th

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-05 Thread gregebert
If the loop-gain is sufficiently low, any non-linearities at the output will get self-corrected (because of the negative feedback) *at low-frequency*. If the signal frequency is high-enough, or if there is low-bandwidth in the feedback network, then the output will definitely behave

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-05 Thread Mac Doktor
> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:52 AM, chuckrr wrote: > > Doing do on an LM-324 runs the output at around 7.45 volts > when the chip is operating from a single 9 volt supply. This reminds me of an aspect of the LM324 worth including in this thread. It's the kind of real-world issue that doesn't come

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-05 Thread 'Nick' via neonixie-l
s. -Chuck > > > Original Message > From: "gregebert" > Sent: 4/1/2021 7:36:20 PM > To: "neonixie-l" > Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp > > An op-amp is a high-gain amplifier, so if both inputs are tied to the same > voltage, then noise

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-02 Thread chuckrr
study is required.  At least I now know a little more about the proper way to tie off the unused ones.   Thanks.   -Chuck   Original Message From: "gregebert" Sent: 4/1/2021 7:36:20 PM To: "neonixie-l" Subject:

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread gregebert
An op-amp is a high-gain amplifier, so if both inputs are tied to the same voltage, then noise will amplified thru the op-amp and cause the output to jump around. As others have said, this can lead to oscillation. Noise is not just what is present at the inputs; it's also inherent in the op-amp

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread 'John Rehwinkel' via neonixie-l
> That actually sounds kind of like the old military practice of grounding > unused TTL inputs through a 1k resistor. I thought the military practice was to tie unused inputs high (instead of grounding them) through a resistor: TTL takes less current to pull high than to pull low. - John --

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l
> > Original Message > From: "David Forbes" > Sent: 4/1/2021 10:07:56 AM > To: "NeoNixie" > Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp > > > Bill, > That's not a good idea. It is likely to oscillate. See my other reply. > > &g

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread chuckrr
"NeoNixie" Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp   Bill, That's not a good idea. It is likely to oscillate.

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread chuckrr
That actually sounds kind of like the old military practice of grounding unused TTL inputs through a 1k resistor. Original Message From: "Bill van Dijk" Sent: 4/1/2021 9:40:44 AM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp Ty the unused inputs

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread chuckrr
Thank you David.  Makes good sense.   -Chuck   Original Message From: "David Forbes" Sent: 4/1/2021 10:03:25 AM To: "NeoNixie" Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp   The standa

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread chuckrr
nection Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp   Why are you using a 324 Op Amp? Older OpAmps are asking for problems with instability and common mode input range as well as output swing limits. I suggest you look at something like the TLV2371 series that is available

RE: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread Bill van Dijk
] LM-324 op amp Bill, That's not a good idea. It is likely to oscillate. See my other reply. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 6:37 AM Bill van Dijk mailto:theoldpha...@gmail.com> > wrote: Ty the unused inputs to ground with a 10K resistor, float the unused outputs. Bill -- You re

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread Toby Thain
On 2021-04-01 8:52 a.m., chuckrr wrote: > What is standard procedure for tying off unused op-amp inputs? > > If for instance there is a circuit which uses only (2) of the (4) available > op-amps in a DIP package, > what is the normal protocol for dealing with these unused units? > > Can the

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread peter bunge
Why are you using a 324 Op Amp? Older OpAmps are asking for problems with instability and common mode input range as well as output swing limits. I suggest you look at something like the TLV2371 series that is available as single, dual, and quad. Inputs and outputs are rail to rail. Yes, connect

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread David Forbes
Bill, That's not a good idea. It is likely to oscillate. See my other reply. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 6:37 AM Bill van Dijk wrote: > Ty the unused inputs to ground with a 10K resistor, float the unused > outputs. > > Bill > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread David Forbes
The standard way is to connect it as a unity gain buffer. Connect the non inverting input to Gnd and connect the inverting input to the output. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 5:53 AM chuckrr wrote: > What is standard procedure for tying off unused op-amp inputs? > > If for instance there is a circuit

RE: [neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread Bill van Dijk
] LM-324 op amp What is standard procedure for tying off unused op-amp inputs? If for instance there is a circuit which uses only (2) of the (4) available op-amps in a DIP package, what is the normal protocol for dealing with these unused units? Can the unused inputs just be left floating

[neonixie-l] LM-324 op amp

2021-04-01 Thread chuckrr
What is standard procedure for tying off unused op-amp inputs? If for instance there is a circuit which uses only (2) of the (4) available op-amps in a DIP package, what is the normal protocol for dealing with these unused units? Can the unused inputs just be left floating? Doing do on an