[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-10 Thread Asstroman
Thanks everyone for your help I appreciate it more than you know. I ended up taking into consideration pretty much everything you suggested. I've ordered it and will post a finished product in a few weeks...hopefully. Shep On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 12:23:38 PM UTC-6, gregebert wrote: > >

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-09 Thread Jonathan F.
My point wasnt about nixies at all, i just wondered how microchip can supply this ic, because it would never fit these regulations! About the ic , HV507 is a 315V 64channel sink-source driver -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To un

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-09 Thread 'GeckospotNixie' via neonixie-l
Just out of curiosity what Microchip IC is rated at 315V? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-08 Thread David Forbes
I use the Toshiba TD62083AFN in my Nixie watch as a cathode driver. It sees 50V between pins on the 0.65mm TSSOP. I take extra care to keep the anode traces well separated from all the cathode and logic traces on the PC board. I use .010" (.25mm) trace spacing between cathodes, and .020" (0.5mm)

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-08 Thread gregebert
If you are driving nixie tubes, there actually isn't 300V between pins at the driver IC. If your supply is 200V, and the typical voltage drop of an IN-18 is about 140V when illuminated, the actual voltage-difference between pins is about 60V. That calculates to 0.6mm of spacing, which is still a

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-08 Thread Jonathan F.
About this calculator for insulation... if i type in 300V, i get 2.5mm for external layers. So how is it possible for Microchip to sell a 315V rated IC in a PQFP44 case? The pins on a QFP have 0.5mm pitch! Am Mittwoch, 6. April 2016 20:23:38 UTC+2 schrieb gregebert: > > Looks like you have

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-06 Thread gregebert
Looks like you have enough bypass caps; just be sure to place them as close as possible to the supply pins on the ICs. Good to see you have separate clk & data lines to the HV5530's; you now have total flexibility to avoid timing problems. Be sure to provide enough spacing around high-voltage s

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-05 Thread Asstroman
Hello again everyone. Thank you so much for your help with the last version of my schematic design. After taking all that input into account and doing some additional research I've redone my design and have posted it below. Any additional input is welcome if you care to give it. Thanks again. Sh

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-04-01 Thread Asstroman
Greg, Thanks for the info, I've taken pretty much all of into account in my newest version. I indeed did get sockets for when this version inevitably gets replaced by rev2. I'd be interested in taking a look at that .stl file and maybe give it a print if you don't mind sharing. Shep On Thurs

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-31 Thread gregebert
Forgot to mention this: Tube sockets As you know, IN-18's are getting rather expensive so you need to be very gentle with them. I decided to use socket-pins soldered onto the PC board (inexpensive & available on Ebay), rather than actual 'sockets', because my past experience with nixie-tube so

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-31 Thread gregebert
You definitely want to use a level-shifter for reliable operation. I just finished a 14-tube nixie clock with HV5530's driven from an FPGA; I use a MC14504. Some people on this forum have driven HV5530's without a level-shifter; to me saving a few dollars on parts is silly compared to spending

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-31 Thread Asstroman
Hi Jonathan, Okay I'll check out that page and see if I can understand why changing those values would be better. As per gregeberts recommendation above I have already reworked my design and put in the HV5530. I have 12V coming in from a wallwart to the power supplies and right now I just have

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-30 Thread Jonathan F.
Hello Shep Some words about the power supply. I would change the inductor to a higher value, about 100uH. And RSENSE to 0.05R, which could deliver about 50mA. C4 is fine, but 4,7u would be enough. Here is a very fine and detailed power supply using the MAX1771 http://desmith.net/NMdS/Elect

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-30 Thread Asstroman
Hello Jonathan, I may eventually end up using a fixed voltage regulator but the reason I have an LM317 in this schematic is that I already have these and necessary resistors so it was mainly just to keep cost down. And that's an excellent point about multiplexing that I hadn't really though of

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread Jonathan F.
What parts do you intend to use for the power supply? If you want to save parts, use a 7805 regulator for the 5V, you don't need R1, R2,PC2 then. About Multiplexing, if you have a 1:6 Multiplex, then every tube is only one sixth of the time on, resulting in lower brightness. A IN-18 is specif

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread gregebert
Yes, a saturated transistor behaves similar to a short-circuit, but in order to do so it must still be properly biased. The basic rule is: a bipolar transistor will conduct collector current when the base-emitter junction is forward-biased. For an NPN transistor, the base & collector both need

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread Asstroman
David and gregebert, Thanks for your replies, they were very helpful. It seems I have had a somewhat profound misunderstanding of the operation of transistors but I've spent the last few hours looking at the schematic David referenced as well as other articles and youtube videos and I'm beginnin

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread David Forbes
Sorry, I meant to say a PNP transistor with emitter tied to 180V rail. On 3/29/2016 3:23 PM, David Forbes wrote: Shep, There are two polarities of transistors, NPN and PNP. NPN requires the base to always be 0.6V more positive than the emitter, and PNP requires the base to be 0.6V more negativ

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread gregebert
Circuit-wise, the NPN's T1 thru T6 are emitter-followers. In order to turn them on, the base-emitter junction needs to be forward-biased, which is about +0.7 volts. So, if the base is driven to +5v (the max possible from the 74HC device), the max-possible voltage at the emitter will be 5.0-0.7 =

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread David Forbes
Shep, There are two polarities of transistors, NPN and PNP. NPN requires the base to always be 0.6V more positive than the emitter, and PNP requires the base to be 0.6V more negative than the emitter. The anode must be controlled from the 180V point, not from the 0V point. The most straight-

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread Asstroman
Hi gregebert! Thank you so much for your reply. I've taken a look at the datasheet for the HV5530 and it seems like it's a no brainer to use this instead of the transistors to simplify things so I will be taking some time to modify that. However, I do have a few follow up questions about some t

[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Tube Schematic Review

2016-03-29 Thread gregebert
Welcome to an addictive hobby! The anode-driver will need some rework because the NPNs (T1 thru T6) will only drive-out 4.3V (5v I/O from the ATMega, minus 0.7Vbe = 4.3V) as the circuit is shown. With multiplexing, you will need what's known as a 'high-side driver', and often that is done wit