[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-25 Thread dr pepper
I'll run a search for them then. I didnt really have much look here in the uk for a crystal oven, but I did find a good webpage for a project oven, only simple maths and very stable results. I dont really have a desperate need for such a thing, its just an interest, I've outgrown decoding time sign

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-25 Thread David Forbes
On 1/25/12 9:28 AM, H. Carl Ott wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:50 PM, David Forbes wrote: On 1/24/12 3:45 AM, dr pepper wrote: Oh es, thanks for the link John. The problem with building a crystal oven is callibration, you need to find out what temp the xtal needs to run at to produce exac

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-25 Thread H. Carl Ott
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:50 PM, David Forbes wrote: > On 1/24/12 3:45 AM, dr pepper wrote: >> >> Oh es, thanks for the link John. >> The  problem with building a crystal oven is callibration, you need to >> find out what temp the xtal needs to run at to produce exactly the >> right freq. >> > >

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-24 Thread David Forbes
On 1/24/12 3:45 AM, dr pepper wrote: Oh es, thanks for the link John. The problem with building a crystal oven is callibration, you need to find out what temp the xtal needs to run at to produce exactly the right freq. You can buy them on ebay for not much money. For that matter, a used rubi

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-24 Thread dr pepper
Oh es, thanks for the link John. The problem with building a crystal oven is callibration, you need to find out what temp the xtal needs to run at to produce exactly the right freq. On Jan 24, 10:39 am, dr pepper wrote: > So the number of cycles in a day has been abandoned, at least the info > w

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-24 Thread dr pepper
So the number of cycles in a day has been abandoned, at least the info was correct. The sites are cool that show you the load, not many of those gigawatts are powering nixies. I'm surprised forensics can analyse recordings for mains hum at all these days, everything for the last 10 years has a swi

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-23 Thread threeneurons
On Jan 23, 2:29 pm, mike wrote: > thank you all > > is there an easy way to use Dekatrons to do it > > thanks > >           mike To do what ? How about an AC line sync timebase using a 'dekatron pendulum' ? The animated .GIF on this overview page: http://threeneurons.wordpress.com/dekatron-stuf

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-23 Thread mike
thank you all is there an easy way to use Dekatrons to do it thanks mike On Jan 23, 7:23 am, John Rehwinkel wrote: > > I'm interested in a OXCO if anyone knows a good design. > > I haven't tried rolling my own, but the concept is simple - pop your crystal > into a small insulated e

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-23 Thread John Rehwinkel
> I'm interested in a OXCO if anyone knows a good design. I haven't tried rolling my own, but the concept is simple - pop your crystal into a small insulated enclosure with a heater and thermostat, this avoiding temperature related variations. I generally just buy ready made crystal ovens. The

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-23 Thread dr pepper
I'm interested in a OXCO if anyone knows a good design. Also thought about receiving radio 4 on long wave 198 kc and dividing down to 1hz, they use a rhubidium oscillator to make the carrier, dont know why, I'm sure someone here does. On 20 Jan, 18:42, Nicholas Stock wrote: > GPS is the way to g

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-20 Thread Nicholas Stock
GPS is the way to go...or a DS3231 or similar TCXO... On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Joseph Bento wrote: > You might have yet to find another location. See > > http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/25/it-hertz-when-you-do-that-power-grid-to-stop-regulating-60-hz-frequency/ > > We're about to dr

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-20 Thread Joseph Bento
You might have yet to find another location. See http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/25/it-hertz-when-you-do-that-power-grid-to-stop-regulating-60-hz-frequency/ We're about to drop our regulation as well. Joe, N6DGY On Jan 20, 10:45 am, Nicholas Stock wrote: > That's why I moved to the states.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-20 Thread Nicholas Stock
That's why I moved to the states...;-) ha ha On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:44 AM, wrote: > ** > Got some recordings you are worried about? heh. > > In a message dated 1/20/2012 9:42:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > nickst...@gmail.com writes: > > That's cool, but also a little creepy;-) > > -

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-20 Thread Michail1
Got some recordings you are worried about? heh. In a message dated 1/20/2012 9:42:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, nickst...@gmail.com writes: That's cool, but also a little creepy;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-20 Thread Nicholas Stock
That's cool, but also a little creepy;-) On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Nick wrote: > On Jan 20, 12:44 pm, Terry S wrote: > > Here's an interesting related site: > > > > http://www.dynamicdemand.co.uk/grid.htm# > > Yes - I believe the UK has abandoned long-term 50Hz accuracy - the > frequ

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-20 Thread Nick
On Jan 20, 12:44 pm, Terry S wrote: > Here's an interesting related site: > > http://www.dynamicdemand.co.uk/grid.htm# Yes - I believe the UK has abandoned long-term 50Hz accuracy - the frequency of the mains has to remain within strict limits, but that variation within those limits is controlled

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-20 Thread Terry S
Here's an interesting related site: http://www.dynamicdemand.co.uk/grid.htm# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neon

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-19 Thread dr pepper
Interesting. Yes the grid frequency drops when the generating station is overloaded, the gensets slow down and the output frequency depends on ratational speed, theres an online gizmo for the uk that shows the current frequency, it says at the lower end 'overloaded'. This side of the pond you can g

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-19 Thread taylorjpt
Here is the modification for 50Hz: http://www.tayloredge.com/storefront/1384_TIClock/1384_60-to-50Hz_Conversion.pdf Note that there are some errors in the original schematic, cleaned up schematic here: http://www.tayloredge.com/storefront/1384_TIClock/1384.pdf jt -- You received this message be

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-19 Thread GastonP
> > have a Nixie clock based on that (uses mains frequency), and I can > > tell you that it is not true at my outlets!  The clock loses a few > > minutes every day, which makes it more of a lamp then a clock. > > I suspect that's more a problem with the clock than the power frequency.  To > extr

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-19 Thread John Rehwinkel
> I have heard the same thing about the US grid having the exact number > of cycles per day, due to legacy use of the frequency for clocks. I > have a Nixie clock based on that (uses mains frequency), and I can > tell you that it is not true at my outlets! The clock loses a few > minutes every da

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-19 Thread Thomas K.
I have heard the same thing about the US grid having the exact number of cycles per day, due to legacy use of the frequency for clocks. I have a Nixie clock based on that (uses mains frequency), and I can tell you that it is not true at my outlets! The clock loses a few minutes every day, which m

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-19 Thread dr pepper
My source for this isnt necessarily accurate, however they say the mains freq is accurate in the uk over a 24 hour period from 9 am till 9 am, they speed up and slow down the gensets during the 24 hours and at night time they control the speed to get the right amount of cycles for the last 24 hours

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-18 Thread Lucky
>From the National Grid (Who supply/transmit our electricity) "System frequency will therefore vary around the 50 Hz target and National Grid has statutory obligations to maintain the frequency within +/- 0.5Hz around this level. However, National Grid normally operates within more stringent 'opera

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-18 Thread Dutchgray
> I guess that the additional question would be: How stable is the mains > frequency in the UK? Its supposed to be stable and analogue clocks driven from the mains were once the norm in public buildings. I would use it as a time base. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-18 Thread Adam Jacobs
I guess that the additional question would be: How stable is the mains frequency in the UK? We use it in the US because it is very stable.. I understand that in the former soviet union, the mains frequency was terrible. Whenever I open up old soviet clocks they always have a crystal in them (an

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-18 Thread David Forbes
On 1/18/12 11:07 AM, dr pepper wrote: Take care of clocks using the mains as a timebase like the ones posted, they are for 60hz, ok in the us, but wouldnt be any good here in the uk. You just need to change the first 7492 frequency divider chip to a 7490, then it will work at 50 Hz. -- David

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-18 Thread dr pepper
Take care of clocks using the mains as a timebase like the ones posted, they are for 60hz, ok in the us, but wouldnt be any good here in the uk. If you go for a crystal timebase then make sure you get the right crystal, they come in series and parallel flavours, parallel seems more popular, some 'c

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-18 Thread J Forbes
Or you could use my scan of the schematic David posted :) http://www.selectric.org/nixie/ticlock.gif > On 18 Jan, 03:47, mike wrote: > > could you show me a simple schematic for it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to t

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-17 Thread dr pepper
Heres a nice little circuit I found, you allready have the 141's in your display modules, so you just need to build the lower part of the circuit and graft it on. The circuit has seconds display, you obviously dont have the tubes for that, you could just construct the circuit and leave out the 141'

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-17 Thread mike
could you show me a simple schematic for it thank you mike On Jan 17, 6:42 pm, John Rehwinkel wrote: > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/190604819318?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid... > > Should be easy enough to make a clock out of it.  If you care to multiplex > it, you'll need an

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-17 Thread neutron spin
That would look cool in the dash of my Humvee :) On 17 Jan, 20:55, Dennis wrote: > I use one as a test bed for programming. Direct drive just hook it up. Now if > I could just figure out how to program. :) > > >  From: mike > To: neonixie-l > Sent: Tuesday, Jan