[netmod] Re: origin "system" in system-config-09

2024-11-07 Thread Kent Watsen
system DS. Why not? The system-config draft indicates that the contents of the datastore may change based on events such as a software/hardware/license change. What else of you think the draft intends then? [keep scrolling] > Jason > >> -Original Message- >>

[netmod] Re: WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-11-07 Thread Kent Watsen
>>>>>>>There are RFCs that don’t include the full tree, >> but >>>> AFAIK there >>>>>>>is no RFCs that include a stable pointer for a >> tree. >>>> There are >>>>>>>I-Ds under development that

[netmod] Re: origin "system" in system-config-09

2024-11-07 Thread Kent Watsen
> I think it is important to keep the distinction between 'or:system' > and 'sysds:system' since config generated by the system is different > than config originating from a system datastore. I saw this comment last night and it didn’t sit right. Assume a server initially has no datastore, and

[netmod] Re: iana modules missing

2024-11-05 Thread Kent Watsen
 They are? That’s news to me. I will ping Sabrina ASAP. Kent // RFC 9644 (ssh-client-server) author > On Nov 5, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: > > Sabrina said that they are pending Kent’s review of some last-minute module > updates since there was an issue running a script

[netmod] Please prepare for Thursday's NETMOD session

2024-11-05 Thread Kent Watsen
 Dear NETMOD, Thursday’s NETMOD session has a special focus on Templates. There are four 10-min presentations, each presenting a different idea for how templates could be done. Since 10-minutes is not enough time for each idea to be covered in detail, please prepare for the session by readin

[netmod] Please be sure to use this link!

2024-11-04 Thread Kent Watsen
Folks, There’s something wrong with one of the links in the Agenda, which states "No Session Ongoing” Please use this link instead: https://meetecho.ietf.org/client/?session=33378 Kent // as chair ___ netmod mailing list -- netmod@ietf.org To uns

[netmod] Re: rfc8407bis: rpc mention in the security template

2024-10-30 Thread Kent Watsen
used for a sensitive service (can be used for dos, service disruption by modifying the listen address/port, access other data, etc.). Of course, one has to access to the info to misuse it, but still that’s a vulnerability to report.   Cheers, Med   De : Kent Watsen Envoyé : mercredi 30 octobre

[netmod] Re: rfc8407bis: rpc mention in the security template

2024-10-30 Thread Kent Watsen
FWIW, my client-server drafts do consider the security of nodes defined only in groupings. Then, in other drafts using those groupings, the Security Considerations would say to also look at the Security Considerations from RFCs containing the imported modules. This way:  - the considerations aren’t

[netmod] Re: Day #2 slides for your review

2024-10-29 Thread Kent Watsen
Folks, These slides were incomplete and sent to the list by accident. Please ignore! Kent > On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani > wrote: > > Hi Kent, > > Thanks for setting the context for the discussion. It is helpful. > > Cheers. > >>

[netmod] Re: Examples for groupings (was RE: Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-netmod-schedule-yang-02)

2024-10-28 Thread Kent Watsen
Chiming in here... Without bias: > On Oct 9, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Reshad Rahman wrote: > > However, I also see a similar approach to the one we followed: e.g., > draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server/draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-server/.. > include a note: > > > > > These examples ca

[netmod] Another Draft Agenda update

2024-10-28 Thread Kent Watsen
The draft agenda for the NETMOD session has been updated: - moved the “Packages" preso to the “Chartered” section (was in LC-section) - added 5-minutes to Day 2’s "Session Intro" section - subtracted 5-minutes from Day 2’s “Open Discussion” section. https://datatracker.ie

[netmod] Re: Updated Draft Agenda

2024-10-27 Thread Kent Watsen
The draft agenda for the two NETMOD sessions at IETF 121 has been updated: - shortened time for YANG Versioning Post Last Call Update. - added slot for YANG Versioning – Packages Update. - shortened time for the YANG++ presentation. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/121/

[netmod] Draft Agenda uploaded

2024-10-23 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG (especially presenters!) The draft agenda has been posted here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/121/materials/agenda-121-netmod-01 Please unicast any comments to the chairs (CC-ed) Thanks, Kent and Lou___ netmod mailing list --

[netmod] Re: Can get-data from operational return a non-configured presence container?

2024-10-17 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jason, I hope others chime in, but my thoughts are that MAY return CT-nodes that are not configured via , but its “origin” attribute MUST correctly indicate where it came from. Some examples: - the node is *configured* by the datastore - the node is *configured* by a “dynamic” dat

[netmod] Re: WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-10-01 Thread Kent Watsen
ddiff?url1=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-09&url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-10&difftype=--html >> >> Cheers, >> Med >> >> De : Lou Berger <mailto:lber...@labn.net> >> Envoyé : mardi 1 octobre 2024 00:24 >> À : netmod@ietf.org <mailto:

[netmod] Re: WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-30 Thread Kent Watsen
available as the document itself by including > the long diagram in an appendix. > > I would like to see this section reverted to the original. > > Authors, > > What is the motivation for the change to URLs and making this a "SHOULD NOT"? > > Thanks, >

[netmod] Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-09.txt

2024-09-30 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Qiufang, Thank you for this update. I believe this fully addresses the issue raised by Juergen. I appreciate the simplicity and robustness of this approach. I hope that NETCONF-next and RESTCONF-next will assert the use of NMDA. Kent > On Sep 29, 2024, at 10:36 PM, maqiufang (A) >

[netmod] Re: shepherd review for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-30 Thread Kent Watsen
    |   If you still think we need to make the change, I’d like we formally ask for WG consensus on the way to proceed here. A 1-week call would be OK. Thanks.   Cheers, Med   De : Kent Watsen Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2024 16:01 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET ; maqiufang (A) Cc : draft-ietf

[netmod] Re: shepherd review for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-27 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med et. al., > On Sep 27, 2024, at 5:34 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: > > Section 4.14 specifies a set of YANG statements that MUST have a description > substatement, but I don’t think anydata should be omitted here. Thoughts? > [Med] This list is inherited from 8407, which in its t

[netmod] Re: WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-20 Thread Kent Watsen
with it? Thanks, Kent and Lou (chairs) > On May 6, 2024, at 9:57 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > This email begins a two-week WGLC on: > > Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of Documents Containing YANG Data > Models > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr

[netmod] Re: [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-server groupings

2024-09-20 Thread Kent Watsen
guidelines need to be added to the already > completed rfc8407bis. > This is a design decision based on the intended reuse of the groupings. > > Here is a common sense guideline: Document the grouping reuse limitations > in the description-stmt. > > > Andy > > > &g

[netmod] Re: [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-server groupings

2024-09-20 Thread Kent Watsen
of this discussion guidelines on reusable YANG groupings. > > Best wishes > Thomas > > From: Kent Watsen mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 3:12 AM > To: Andy Bierman mailto:a...@yumaworks.com>> > Cc: netc...@ietf.org &

[netmod] Re: Regarding RFC 7950 Mandatory validation

2024-09-18 Thread Kent Watsen
’/’validation’ > > In my humble opinion, we have to include a clause in ‘Payload > Parsing’ section of RFC, mentioning, “If all mandatory leafs are not present, > when the edit-config operation is ‘create’, then the server MUST reply with a > "missing-element&

[netmod] Re: Regarding RFC 7950 Mandatory validation

2024-09-17 Thread Kent Watsen
the RPC or action operation. You’re right. Validation is context dependent. K. > Andy > > >> K. >> >> >>> Thanks & Regards, >>> Partha. >>> >>> From: Kent Watsen mailto:k...@watsen.net>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, S

[netmod] Re: Regarding RFC 7950 Mandatory validation

2024-09-17 Thread Kent Watsen
e it create/merge). Yes, you make a point, such nodes exist in the request message 99% of the time, but it is possible that they may alternatively be set via defined configuration, or via a template. K. > Thanks & Regards, > Partha. > > From: Kent Watsen mailto:k...

[netmod] Re: Regarding RFC 7950 Mandatory validation

2024-09-16 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Partha, > On Sep 6, 2024, at 1:13 PM, parthasarath...@fujitsu.com > wrote: > > Hi, > I am a Software Engineer working in Fujitsu’s NMS product > supporting Netconf devices. I want a clarification in RFC 7950 on the > behavior of constraint validation in an edit-config request

[netmod] Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med, Sorry this is taking so long, but we’re getting there! ;) > > The reference of QUIC is to the protocol, RFC 9000, not NETCONF over QUIC, an > I-D as you note; just as the reference is to SSH protocol, RFC 4252, not > NETCONF over SSH, RFC 6242. > [Med] I understand the intent is to

[netmod] Re: Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2024-09-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Paul, > On Sep 9, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Paul Wouters via Datatracker > wrote: > > Related question: Is it one certificate+key that used for the TLS connection > as > well as to sign data within the payload of packets? The issue you’re raising is one that could’ve (should’ve?) been discussed w

[netmod] Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med,On Sep 12, 2024, at 3:14 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Hi Mahesh,   Please see inline.   Cheers, Med   De : Mahesh Jethanandani Envoyé : jeudi 12 septembre 2024 00:49 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET Cc : Kent Watsen ; netmod@ietf.org Objet : Re: [netmod] AD - Re

[netmod] YANG-next: Round 3

2024-09-11 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD, A group of folks are meeting tomorrow to continue reviewing the YANG-next issue tracker. In case anyone wants to join, the meeting is 9-11am US/Eastern. The Zoom link is: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84044654674?pwd=7z4Ql9u33W0edXP3RhppXfJsBr2COa.1#success Kent // contributor

[netmod] Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-10 Thread Kent Watsen
cols, such as NETCONF [RFC6241] and RESTCONF [RFC8040]. These protocols have mandatory-to-implement secure transport layers (e.g., SSH [RFC4252], TLS [RFC8446], QUIC [RFC9000]) and mandatory-to-implement mutual authentication. Kent // contributor > On Sep 4, 2024, at 10:28 AM, Kent

[netmod] Re: Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2024-09-10 Thread Kent Watsen
ilable, too long trees can be displayed in the HTML > version of documents that include such trees. > > I know that Italo tried to have a discussion in 121 with Carsten for md(?), > but I don’t know if that discussion actually happened. Italo can clarify this. > > Cheers,

[netmod] Re: Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2024-09-10 Thread Kent Watsen
[removing the IESG] Hi Joe, authors, and NETMOD. > On Sep 10, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Joe Clarke (jclarke) > wrote: > > Thanks for the comments and feedback, Paul. I’ve opened GitHub issue > https://github.com/netmod-wg/syslog-model/issues/14 so Mahesh and I can track > the necessary changes on

[netmod] Re: [IANA #1373241] Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-06 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med, 1) Regarding "For example, authors of a module with such identifiers have to indicate...”, I’m unsure how the registrant is suppose to propose valid YANG identifiers. First, I wonder if the registrant would even be aware of the existence of a YANG module for the underlying registry.

[netmod] Fwd: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-04 Thread Kent Watsen
TP/1.1 [RFC9112] - HTTP/2 [RFC9112] - HTTP/3 [RFC9112] Thoughts? Kent // contributor > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Mahesh Jethanandani > Subject: Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 > for your review > Date: September 3, 2024 at 5:41:58 PM EDT > To: Kent Watse

[netmod] Re: Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-04 Thread Kent Watsen
> Please see inline. > > Cheers, > Med > > De : Kent Watsen mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net>> > Envoyé : dimanche 11 août 2024 20:48 > À : netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> > Objet : [netmod] Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis > > &

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-22 Thread Kent Watsen
> On Aug 22, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 5:54 AM Jürgen Schönwälder > wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:20:55PM +, Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) wrote: >> > >> > PS: And with a well designed merge operation, one might in the future >> > even move towar

[netmod] Re: comments on system-config-08 draft

2024-08-22 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Andy, > So you are planning new protocol versions with NBC changes as well? Yes. The NETCONF WG already kicked-off (sort of) the NETCONF-next and RESTCONF-next efforts. The “plan” is to first publish a BC (backwards compatible) version of the protocols to address low-hanging items, and the

[netmod] YANG-Next: Score more issues

2024-08-22 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, A small group is meeting tomorrow to score YANG-next issues [0]. This is the second such meeting and, as such, will begin with Issue #51. In case anyone wants to join, please review issues >= 51beforehand. YANG-next: Score more issues Scheduled: Aug 23, 2024 at 9:00 AM

[netmod] Re: comments on system-config-08 draft

2024-08-21 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Andy, > The example in the appendix shows a device that would boot without any > interfaces in . > They would only be in . If this is the case, then all non-NMDA > clients and all current NMDA clients need to be rewritten to know about the > config. IMO breaking all existing clients woul

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-21 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Qiufang, > Regarding #1, I’m sympathetic to not flipping an established client-contract > without warning. My proposal is to version the protocols (i.e. NETCONF 1.2 > and RESTCONF 1.1) to indicate this change in behavior. That is, a server > implementing the datastore would have to imple

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-20 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jan, > After us all now having investigated this line of reasoning, my conclusion is > that we have to choose one of two approaches: The primary open-question is if it is *needed* for a client to copy nodes into . IMO, to understand the requirements, this question must be answered first.

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-19 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jürgen, > On Aug 15, 2024, at 11:10 AM, Jürgen Schönwälder > wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 02:10:31PM +, Kent Watsen wrote: >> >> This email begins a two-week WGLC on: >> >> System-defined Configuration >> https://datatracker.

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-19 Thread Kent Watsen
system nodes triggered by >"resolve-system" parameter might conflict with the contents of >, the conflict resolution is no different than the >resolution of conflict caused by configuration explicitly provided by >the client. > > I’m afraid I don’t un

[netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32

2024-08-14 Thread Kent Watsen via Datatracker
Kent Watsen has requested publication of draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the NETMOD working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model/ ___ n

[netmod] Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-08-11 Thread Kent Watsen
The minutes for the NETMOD 120 session [0] captures this dialog: Tim Carey: What is the update for the best practices document and node-tags document Lou Berger: Best practices - I do not recall and will have to come back. The update follows, in the form of the history/s

[netmod] 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-11 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, We did a WGLC in May on the -05 version of this document. The diffs since then are substantial (https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05&url2=draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-08&difftype=--html) and so it seems prudent to run a fresh WGLC on this d

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-08-10 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Juergen, Thank you for the update! I believe the conversation right now is with the AD. Best regards, Kent // shepherd > On Aug 7, 2024, at 6:43 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 2024-08-07, at 09:59, Jürgen Schönwälder > wrote: >> >> It is what it is. > > I agree that this is a vali

[netmod] Re: Defining groupings after the fact? draft-jouqui-netmod-yang-full-include and the reuse of definitions

2024-08-02 Thread Kent Watsen
[CC-ing Med] I wonder if rfc8047bis should have a recommendation to use groupings extensively? FWIW, my "client-server” suite of drafts in NETCONF use groupings extensively. In fact, whenever a data-node is needed, it is always just a container that uses a grouping. Kent > On Aug 2, 2024, a

[netmod] Re: Defining groupings after the fact? draft-jouqui-netmod-yang-full-include and the reuse of definitions

2024-08-01 Thread Kent Watsen
Added to YANG-next tracker here: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/129 > On Aug 1, 2024, at 4:48 PM, Alexander L Clemm > wrote: > > Hello Shiya, > > re your comment on the "Once models have been defined this way, they > cannot be altered after the fact": Well, I guess as William

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-08-01 Thread Kent Watsen
Please ignore Sorry for the noise, but the tools-team pointed me to a mailman3 setting that might be causing my CC’s being removed. CC-ing Rob again as a test. K. > On Jul 30, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > [CC-ing Rob] > > >> On Jul 30, 2024, at 1:02 P

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-07-30 Thread Kent Watsen
[CC-ing Rob] > On Jul 30, 2024, at 1:02 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Hi Juergen, > > During the IETF 120 NETMOD session, there was a discussion regarding the > status of this document. The chairs asked if anyone would be willing to help > get it over the line. Both

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-07-30 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Juergen, During the IETF 120 NETMOD session, there was a discussion regarding the status of this document. The chairs asked if anyone would be willing to help get it over the line. Both Rob and Joseph (CC-ed) volunteered. Is there a repo that you were working out of? Kent // as shepherd

[netmod] Re: Yang Scalability

2024-07-25 Thread Kent Watsen
 > Do you have any reference (URL) to "NIST-like bake off" for people like me > who are not aware of it? I’ll summarize, most likely incorrectly, but it should suffice. 1) NIST puts out a call for an algorithm 2) NIST evaluates submissions on varying axes: strength, speed, size, implementabi

[netmod] Re: Yang Scalability

2024-07-25 Thread Kent Watsen
> This means to me that templating mechanism might more easily be applied to > the data input versus the schema itself. Yes, but both input and output. That is, would return what set. A server would advertise that it supports, e.g., via a capability, but otherwise its YANG Library would b

[netmod] Presentations for IETF 120 session

2024-07-15 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD 120 presenters, Please submit a draft version of slides no later than Friday Jul 19th (any timezone). Please propose slides at the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/120/session/netmod If it is not possible to propose slides on DataTracker, send them by unicast

[netmod] Preliminary NETMOD 120 agenda

2024-07-08 Thread Kent Watsen
/converter.html?iso=20240722T20&p1=256 Room: Georgia B https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/120/floor-plan?room=georgia-b ## WG Chairs: Lou Berger(lberger at labs dot net) Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) ## WG Secretary James Cumming (james.cumming at nokia

[netmod] NETMOD Secretary

2024-07-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Dear NETMOD WG, Jason has let us know that he needs a break from being Secretary and, very fortunately, James Cumming (CC-ed) has volunteered to step in. We appreciate all the help that Jason has provided, and look forward to his continued contribution to the WG going forwards. Welcome James!

[netmod] rfc7950bis and yang-xml

2024-07-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi folks, I took a swing at YANG-next… I started by asking RFC Editor for the XML for 7950, which I then updated to the new v3 format. Lastly I created a PR to move the XML-specific text to a new “yang-xml” document. Here are the results. 1. rfc7950bis FWIW, IDK this work will obsolete 602

[netmod] Fwd: A short note / request…

2024-06-30 Thread Kent Watsen
A message from one of the Ops Area ADs. Good advice! > From: Warren Kumari > Date: June 30, 2024 at 6:14:51 AM EDT > To: ops-chairs > Subject: A short note / request… > >  > Hi there all, > > As you've probably all realized by now, the IESG goes through cycles of what > it thinks is super

[netmod] Re: YANG Versioning question - namespace version?

2024-06-17 Thread Kent Watsen
> I believe this was a deliberate decision. The info about module versions is > available elsewhere (in the module proper and/or in YANG library data), so I > don't see any necessity of having it in the namespace. Yes, but I wonder if it assumed the update rules in Section 11. Thinking out l

[netmod] YANG Versioning question - namespace version?

2024-06-17 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, I was recently asked why YANG module namespaces aren’t versioned. For example, the “1.0” at the end of this URI "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-crypto-types:1.0”. The stated concern was "because without this, then management of backward compatibility becomes a nightmare.” Th

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-06-03 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Carsten, > On Jun 3, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > (2) I’d love to know what kinds of timestamps real YANG implementations send > here — do they really pollute their timestamps with local-time offset > information? > Does any recipient actually care about the local-time relat

[netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-05-06 Thread Kent Watsen
This email begins a two-week WGLC on: Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of Documents Containing YANG Data Models https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis/ Please take time to review this draft and post comments by May 20. Favorable comments are especiall

Re: [netmod] IPR on call on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-11

2024-05-06 Thread Kent Watsen
None of the authors are aware of any IPR. Please note that Qin’s response isn’t threaded correctly, but can be found here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/NDygxJmY6FEOwXS8ifGo08INR58/ Kent > On Apr 29, 2024, at 6:05 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG

[netmod] IPR on call on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-11

2024-04-29 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, Contributors, WG, As a prerequisite for the WGLC on this document: Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of Documents Containing YANG Data Models https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-11 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft

Re: [netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-04-15 Thread Kent Watsen
following repo has been created for you: https://github.com/netmod-wg/schedule-yang. Kent and Lou > On Mar 26, 2024, at 11:49 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > NETMOD WG, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > A Common YANG Data Model for Scheduling >

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: filename recommendations for YANG Semver

2024-04-03 Thread Kent Watsen
> This can never happen since the '#' char is not allowed in a YANG module name. > YANG 1.1 tools look for MODNAME[@DATE].EXT. > If the YANG module name is not in this format the tool will not find the > module. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 says: The name of

[netmod] WGLC on system-config-05

2024-03-29 Thread Kent Watsen
This email begins a two-week WGLC on: System-defined Configuration https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-system-config/ Please take time to review this draft and post comments by April 12. Favorable comments are especially welcomed. There is no known IPR for this

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-29 Thread Kent Watsen
> Chongfeng > > 发件人: Kent Watsen [mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net] > 发送时间: 2024年3月26日 9:31 > 收件人: maqiufang (A) ; Qin Wu ; > Chongfeng Xie > 抄送: netmod@ietf.org > 主题: IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05 > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As a prer

[netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: A Common YANG Data Model for Scheduling https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang PS: This draft moved from OPSAWG to NETMOD There is no known IPR on this draft: https://mailarchive.

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
All authors and contributors have responded indicating no awareness of IPR applying to this draft. The adoption call may proceed now. Kent // chair > On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > [This draft moved from OPSAWG to NETMOD] > > > Authors, Contribut

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Kent // contributor > On Mar 26, 2024, at 11:40 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > My last message didn’t tag all authors and contributors. > > This message adds to the “To” line the following additional authors

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
My last message didn’t tag all authors and contributors. This message adds to the “To” line the following additional authors and contributors: - Chong Feng - Kent Watsen - Jan Linblad - Jason Stern Kent // chair > On Mar 25, 2024, at 9:30 PM, Kent Watsen wr

[netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-25 Thread Kent Watsen
y no IPR is filed for this draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-netmod-system-config. Thanks. Kent Watsen (as co-chair) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

[netmod] IPR Call on draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-03-25 Thread Kent Watsen
se to the list above, and not unicast it. PS: Currently no IPR is filed for this draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang Thanks. Kent Watsen (as co-chair) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

Re: [netmod] Draft IETF 119 NETMOD Agenda posted

2024-03-12 Thread Kent Watsen
time >> zone). >> >> Thanks, >> Jason (+ chairs Kent and Lou) >> >> Draft Agenda for the NETMOD 119 WG Session >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/agenda-119-netmod >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/netmod >>

Re: [netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-03-11 Thread Kent Watsen
"draft-ietf-netmod-immutable-flag-00" and upload to data tracker. Any adoption-comments should be addressed in a -01 version. No IPR was reported: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/g_Rh24gXHZcfTUXDo0xZ-sXK-vU/ Thanks, Kent and Lou > On Feb 22, 2024, at 12:41 PM

Re: [netmod] Long trees RE: Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-03-05 Thread Kent Watsen
and tree-diagram views. K. > On Mar 5, 2024, at 11:21 AM, Italo Busi > wrote: > > I like the idea of relying on tooling with hyperlinks > > For txt and pdf, I agree that a link is the best option since these formats > are not optimized for including YANG trees >

Re: [netmod] Long trees RE: Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-03-05 Thread Kent Watsen
It seems that there are two camps: 1) those that want the tree-diagrams to be as DRY as possible 2) those that want the tree-diagrams to be as WET as possible DRY = Don't Repeat Yourself WET = Write Every Time Tooling can help both cases. For (1)

Re: [netmod] Long trees RE: Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-03-04 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Italo, > On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:38 PM, Italo Busi > wrote: > > I am wondering whether the issue of YANG tree too-long could be resolved by > updating the IETF tooling. For example, I have noted that the html-ized > version of the I-Ds is now working well with artwork exceeding the 72 > char

[netmod] WGLC on node-tags-11

2024-02-29 Thread Kent Watsen
This email begins a two-week WGLC on: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-11 Please take time to review this draft and post comments by March 14. Favorable comments are especially welcomed. Aside: this draft went through a WGLC six months ago, to which t

Re: [netmod] Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-02-28 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jan, > On Feb 28, 2024, at 9:21 AM, Jan Lindblad wrote: > > Med, author team, > > Thank you for taking the time to get this work done, and well done! This is > one of those fundamental bricks that saves time and improves quality for the > entire YANG community. > > I read the -09 version

Re: [netmod] Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-02-28 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med, I’ve been slow to provide follow-up responses to you regarding the "Adherence to the NMDA" and "Security Considerations" sections, which I have refined even more since our last interactions here. 1) In the Adherence to the NMDA section, I know that I pushed before to invert the recomme

[netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-02-22 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: YANG Metadata Annotation for Immutable Flag https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09 There is no known IPR on this draft: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/g_Rh24gXHZcfTU

Re: [netmod] IPR poll for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-02-22 Thread Kent Watsen
Thank you authors and contributors for your responses. No IPR is being declared at this time. Kent (and Lou) > On Feb 12, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As a prerequisite for the adoption on this document: > > YANG Me

Re: [netmod] RE I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-11.txt

2024-02-20 Thread Kent Watsen
Juergen, Tom, Andy, Gentle reminder. Kent // shepherd > On Nov 14, 2023, at 4:49 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Juergen, Tom, Andy, > > The previous WGLC for this draft didn’t succeed due to your comments. > Qin’s update (1) below removes all the (metric) specific node-tag

Re: [netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text mean?

2024-02-19 Thread Kent Watsen
> De : netmod mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org>> De la > part de Kent Watsen > Envoyé : vendredi 16 février 2024 21:55 > À : Andy Bierman mailto:a...@yumaworks.com>> > Cc : netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> > Objet : Re: [netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text

Re: [netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text mean?

2024-02-16 Thread Kent Watsen
ine a “temporary non-NMDA module”. PS: top-posting for simplicity K. > On Feb 16, 2024, at 3:25 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:07 PM Kent Watsen <mailto:kent%2bi...@watsen.net>> wrote: >> NETMOD, >> >> An IESG member rev

[netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text mean?

2024-02-16 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD, An IESG member reviewing one of my drafts flagged a section I had written to satisfy this text from https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8407#section-3.5: If the document contains a YANG module(s) that is compliant with NMDA [RFC8342], then the Introduction section sho

[netmod] IPR poll for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-02-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, Contributors, WG, As a prerequisite for the adoption on this document: YANG Metadata Annotation for Immutable Flag https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please sta

Re: [netmod] rfc8407bis IANA guidance (enums vs identities)

2024-02-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Mohamad, Thanks for the response. Some thoughts below. K > On Feb 8, 2024, at 3:36 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: > > Hi Kent, all, > > Let’s me also provide some background and explain why we are not using any > normative language for enum vs identities. We used to have this te

Re: [netmod] rfc8407bis IANA guidance (enums vs identities)

2024-02-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Mohamad, Thanks for the response. Some thoughts below. K > On Feb 8, 2024, at 3:36 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: > > Hi Kent, all, > > Let’s me also provide some background and explain why we are not using any > normative language for enum vs identities. We used to have this te

[netmod] rfc8407bis IANA guidance (enums vs identities)

2024-02-07 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, WG, Following is a comment on Section 4.30.2. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-06#section-4.30.2 The text says: START An IANA-maintained module may use identities (e.g., [RFC8675]) or enumerations (e.g., [RFC9108]). The decision about which typ

[netmod] rfc8407bis IANA module identifier name

2024-02-04 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, WG, Following is a comment on Section 4.30.3.1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-06#section-4.30.3.1 The text says: "The name of the "identity" is the lower-case of the name provided in the registry.” Yet Section 4.3.1. (Identifier Naming Conventions)

Re: [netmod] Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-02-01 Thread Kent Watsen
The draft interim minutes have been updated. Thank you Jason, Jurgen, and Carsten for your valuable comments. Link to minutes: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2024-netmod-01-202401231400/ The minutes are reproduced below for convenience. Please report any updates needed here.

Re: [netmod] Network Modeling (netmod) WG Virtual Meeting: 2024-02-06

2024-01-31 Thread Kent Watsen
Reminder that NETMID is having another Virtual Interim a week from today. Kent > On Jan 22, 2024, at 10:22 AM, IESG Secretary wrote: > > The Network Modeling (netmod) WG will hold a virtual interim meeting on > 2024-02-06 from 09:00 to 11:00 America/New_York (14:00 to 16:00 UTC). > > Agenda:

[netmod] Fwd: Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-01-31 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Juergen, > Well, statements like "the WG agrees" are problematic for things that > have not been discussed on the mailing list. Perhaps it is the people > attending the interim agreed? Well, I can't tell, I have not been > there... Maybe but… - it was an official Interim meeting (not just a

Re: [netmod] Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-01-30 Thread Kent Watsen
may work in circumstances where the operator doesn’t use > templates or inactive config *or* the client reproduces the server logic for > the running->intended transforms > > Jason > > From: netmod mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org>> On > Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent:

[netmod] Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-01-29 Thread Kent Watsen
Link to minutes: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2024-netmod-01-202401231400/ Reproduced below for convenience. Please report any updates needed here. Kent (and Lou) This virtual interim was soley focused on the "system-config" draft. Qiufang Ma presented. Draft: https://dat

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