Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Tuesday 27 July 2004 13:31, flesh.99 wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:44:43 +0800, frankieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bascule wrote: On Monday 26 Jul 2004 8:05 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: snip I apologize if I cover points already made, I am new to the list, so please forgive me if that

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
bascule wrote: stephen, i'd agree that a truly secure environment would prevent unknown programs from running, but a virus doesn't necessarily need root privs. if i can write a shell script that runs as a user, that can wipe my user files, send mail with attachments, create a dotfile and a user

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-27 Thread frankieh
bascule wrote: On Monday 26 Jul 2004 8:05 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: The simple fact of the matter is that a virus cannot run in a secure environment; you have to have root privileges in order to do so; hence an attack on a linux box is generally from outside, and not inside - unless someone was

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-27 Thread flesh.99
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:44:43 +0800, frankieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bascule wrote: On Monday 26 Jul 2004 8:05 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: The simple fact of the matter is that a virus cannot run in a secure environment; you have to have root privileges in order to do so; hence an attack on

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-27 Thread flesh.99
-- SNIP -- Setting up the commands to install RPM's in userspace would not be that hard. Most of the framework is already there. You can tell RPM to use a database in the user's home direstory instead of the system database. The bigest problem is that most RPMs are not

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-27 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Tuesday 27 July 2004 03:39 pm, flesh.99 wrote: it's all above, folks I'm not sure this is a good idea, guys. Ease of use is one of the main reasons for all of those rooted PC's out there that keep spamming us. It's also the main source of all of those emails to windows help lists that

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-26 Thread donmeliton
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 04:43, John Wilson wrote: Of course you could be missing the point that Microsoft keeps making that Linux itself is a virus. :-) And so it is! I've been infected! Aaargh! ;) Germn. Want to buy your Pack or Services

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-26 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 09:42, Marc wrote: At one time someone here on the newbie list gave a link to a article that did a nice simple job of explaining why it is next to impossible for a succussfull linux virus to be created. I have been searching the archives and have been unable to find

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-26 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 12:43, John Wilson wrote: Of course you could be missing the point that Microsoft keeps making that Linux itself is a virus. :-) ttfn John Microsoft Windows (tm) has been the virus since the advent of Winodws95 (tm); it killed OS/2 and BeOS systems between

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-26 Thread bascule
stephen, i'd agree that a truly secure environment would prevent unknown programs from running, but a virus doesn't necessarily need root privs. if i can write a shell script that runs as a user, that can wipe my user files, send mail with attachments, create a dotfile and a user cron job to

[newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-25 Thread Marc
At one time someone here on the newbie list gave a link to a article that did a nice simple job of explaining why it is next to impossible for a succussfull linux virus to be created. I have been searching the archives and have been unable to find it again. Can anyone here point me to it?

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-25 Thread SME Server Admin
On Monday 26 Jul 2004 00:42, Marc wrote: At one time someone here on the newbie list gave a link to a article that did a nice simple job of explaining why it is next to impossible for a succussfull linux virus to be created. I have been searching the archives and have been unable to find it

Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth

2004-07-25 Thread John Wilson
On July 25, 2004 06:24 pm, SME Server Admin wrote: On Monday 26 Jul 2004 00:42, Marc wrote: At one time someone here on the newbie list gave a link to a article that did a nice simple job of explaining why it is next to impossible for a succussfull linux virus to be created. I have been