Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Jack Coats
I purchased one of the drive caddies for about $9 from Directron.com (on sale). EC-UST25 Currently on sale for 10.99, regular price $12.99 Also, ship it to a commercial address and save some $$. ><> ... Jack Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23 On Tue, Aug 17, 201

RE: Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
It seems to me that the main drawback to using removable hard drives as backup media is that they are fragile, compared to other, more traditional, backup media. If you drop one onto a hard surface, it is unlikely to survive. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [nlug] more discussion of

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Howard White
On 08/17/2010 04:18 PM, Richard Thomas wrote: It's hard to find a valid argument against using hard-drives over tape. Howeber, there's something about the idea of how little there is to go wrong with tape, no electronics etc. The only problem is that what there is there to go wrong seems to go

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Richard Thomas
On 8/17/2010 4:10 PM, Howard White wrote: A couple of months ago at the monthly NLUG meeting, I showed a 2.5" drive caddy that mounts in a 3.5" bay that allows me to insert and eject a naked (no frame or nonsense) 2.5" SATA drive. There are similar caddies available for 3.5" drives but I fin

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Howard White
On 08/17/2010 03:21 PM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: - Original Message - On 8/17/2010 9:32 AM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: Of course, likely tape's days are numbered (except for specialist applications). With reliable media, you may as well stream encrypt the whole thing. Then again, y

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - > On 8/17/2010 9:32 AM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: > Of course, likely tape's days are numbered (except for specialist > applications). With reliable media, you may as well stream encrypt the > whole thing. Then again, you lose the ability to seek and then we're > bac

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Richard Thomas
On 8/17/2010 9:32 AM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: Seems if that was the way you did backups, you would probably have deeper problems. Backups of system files should be in different backups for data. How often do you change the system, and how often should you backup data? It's kinda hard

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - > On 8/17/2010 7:54 AM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: > > > > Need to point out proper unix tools do 1 thing and do it well. > > > > Tar is very happy punting its creation to STDOUT. You could then do > > any number of pipes to throw the data through encryption apps that

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Richard Thomas
On 8/17/2010 7:54 AM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: Need to point out proper unix tools do 1 thing and do it well. Tar is very happy punting its creation to STDOUT. You could then do any number of pipes to throw the data through encryption apps that take STDIN as a source. I believe there are pl

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-17 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - > Encrypted tar!! Now there is a thought, but pity be to the sysadmin > without a plan for keeping track of the keys!! First thought of the > command name was star, as in secure tar. Gee, you think someone else > mighta grabbed _star_ first; without even thinking about

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread Howard White
On 08/16/2010 09:20 PM, Michael Chaney wrote: Odd, I've been using Duplicity for a couple of years now to back up to S3, never knew it was considered beta. It works great. Michael Now you tell us!! :) Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NL

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread Michael Chaney
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Howard White wrote: > I get a daily blurb from the InformationWeek / UMB Techweb crowd called > "Dark Reading" that discusses security breaches, malware and other > entertainment...  Today's lead item mentions six healthcare industry data > breaches that could have

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread Howard White
On 08/16/2010 05:01 PM, David R. Wilson wrote: I decided many years ago after reading 18 tapes and finding 3 that worked that were stored over 2 years previously that I really didn't want a repeat of that fiasco. It is even more scary when backups have to be encrypted and reliable. If I was go

RE: Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
te. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups >From :mailto:j...@coats.org Date :Mon Aug 16 17:31:30 America/Chicago 2010 Need to watch keeping the keys on USB in a safe deposit or fire box too. We need to at least power up the keyfobs every year or so, t

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread Jack Coats
Need to watch keeping the keys on USB in a safe deposit or fire box too. We need to at least power up the keyfobs every year or so, to allow the hardware to 'refresh' the flash. It does erode over time, and the odds are high that if you just toss it in the safe deposit box that it may not be reada

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread Jim Peterson
Some of this system was put into place before I got here, but we backup our data server to an external USB hard drive, which gets rotated out weekly & lives at my house in the mean time. As a backup to the backup, I repurposed an old web server into a FreeNAS box, located in another part of the lib

Re: [nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread David R. Wilson
I decided many years ago after reading 18 tapes and finding 3 that worked that were stored over 2 years previously that I really didn't want a repeat of that fiasco. It is even more scary when backups have to be encrypted and reliable. If I was going to backup something now that has any importan

[nlug] more discussion of backups

2010-08-16 Thread Howard White
I get a daily blurb from the InformationWeek / UMB Techweb crowd called "Dark Reading" that discusses security breaches, malware and other entertainment... Today's lead item mentions six healthcare industry data breaches that could have been prevented with a little planning. They tossed out th