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From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 August 2008 00:37
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Subject: [NSP] jhf
I would like a straight version of Forsters 'Jim Halls Fancy'
Well you'll not find it on Canal Street!
p.s. can I choyt at the Bellingham Show?
You can - but don't
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
Bellingham Show?
Tom Clough's Bellingham
adjudication speech from the 1930s still applies!!
October 1923:
The chief aim of any player is to produce good music. Now this can
only be attained by the proper use of his musical instrument.
There are two
Thanks - I hope my fingering is more accurate than my memory for dates!
Chris
Tough on choyting, tough on the causers of choyting
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On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston,
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
,
I've just had an off-list request for an explanation of choyting.
Clough described it as To grace a note in the manner of a Highland
piper i.e. to play a grace note, then a melody note without silence
between the two.
and (in reference to the 1895
Adrian gives an excellent description of the top a to g note gracing as
sounding like a seagull in pain if not executed properly, which is one
prominent example of open gracing very commonly heard.
Not executed properly? But isn't it meant to sound like that?
The cry of the curlew, bleating of
Just this morning I couldn't hear the pit hooter for all those pesky curlews
and sheep!
Chris
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Sent: 22 August 2008 11:16
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Adrian gives an excellent
On 22 Aug 2008, Gibbons, John wrote:
Not executed properly? But isn't it meant to sound like that?
The cry of the curlew, bleating of sheep etc
I withdraw that comment - possibly it's the piper doing it who should
be executed properly.
v. big grin
Julia
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While we're fortunate to have some written evidence of Clough's thoughts on all
this, it's important to recognise other examples of clean, closed fingering
from recent history - it's not just a Clough thing. Joe Hutton's playing
clearly demonstrated detached fingering and contained few open
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
it's not just a Clough
thing. Joe Hutton's playing clearly demonstrated detached fingering
and contained few open gracings, and I'd urge readers to listen to his
earlier recordings . George Atkinson's name appears again and again on the
competition
Where would music be today if tritones had continued to be proscribed and
thirds widely disapproved of as in the middle ages?
It might have saved us from that Maxwell-Davis stuff grin
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It might have saved us from that Maxwell-Davis stuff grin
Not to mention Mozart and the Beatles ;-)
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I'm afraid I glaze over once we get into classical music theory - my own formal
training was limited to being forced to learn 3rd clarinet in the junior wind
band as an 11 year old - enough to put any young musician off for life. As a
piper I've relied on me fingers and lugs!
Seriously,
On 22 Aug 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember reading somewhere (possibly in Boyden's book on the history
of violin playing,)
From the same book, which I'm currently reading / ploughing through,
I have bookmarked a small paragraph which remarks (of violinists in
the C17), that the
On 22 Aug 2008, Ormston, Chris wrote:
I may have imagined this, but I've a feeling GGA was involved in
George Atkinson's tuition.
Ah. I thought so, but couldn't place where I'd heard it.
Thanks for getting me going about piping ensembles too - was it
intentional???
No, it just sort of
Julia wrote:
However it set me to wondering whether there were connections
between the articulated style of the violinists / fiddlers of the
period and the articulation of the closed chanter, developing about the
same time (as far as we know).
Articulation is dealt with at
Julia wrote:
3) Plaid is bad
I've been told the weave was different in each valley so that when a
frozen corpse was found on the hills in the spring the body could be
identified.
But being a canny lass, you thought pull the other one!
Even then the Duke's piper was /
Paul wrote:
I don't think Clough meant that everything should be played
staccatissimo. That's not how he played himself, to judge by the
recordings.
Quite the opposite - Clough's suggestion was that the notes should be given
their full length, and the skill was to make the silences in
I have this vivid mental image of a poor piper being met with a slow hand
clap and the cries of choyte choyte choyte after a rendition where
he/she slipped one in in a moment of mental aberration.
Colin Hill
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Colin wrote:
The only example of deliberate choyting I know is to be found in the
Peacock Collection in the tune Lochail's March where the small pipes are
meant to imitate the Highland pipe.
end of quote
What about Dargie (Spelling?), or am I just playing it wrongly - choyting
away to my
On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone come up with the etymology of the word ' choyte'? I find
it being used as a shibboleth and fear that if I refuse to
acknowledge it I will have my fingers cut off.
That's a good question, and you should be wary of whatever
From first hearing the word choyte I have assumed it to be
onomatopoeic.
It is interesting that an open grace note gets a delicate word like
hin in highland canntaireachd where it something wanted and an ugly
word like choyte from a Northumbrian piper who says it is wrong.
Ian
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On 22 Aug 2008, Ian Lawther wrote:
From first hearing the word choyte I have assumed it to be
onomatopoeic.
I have always assumed it was pitmatic. It also appears to be a word
in both French and Punjabi (thanks, google).
I'll try it on the neighbours
Julia
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Colin wrote:
Has anyone come up with the etymology of the word ' choyte'? I find
it being used as a shibboleth and fear that if I refuse to
acknowledge it I will have my fingers cut off.
I wonder if it's a form of cheat? (Just a guess - languages are my
business, but
Ah, that was avoiding a choyte whilst typing.
Finger firmly down on the caps lock.
Colin Hill
From: Richard Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; colin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: deadly sins
Would you be having sex
Then you either need a more attention-getting partner or are way too involved in
piping.
Yer pal,
John Liestman
Quoting colin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
And if you have sex WHILE Choyting??
Colin Hill
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