Am 13.05.2009 um 14:59 schrieb Hans Hagen:
Yue Wang wrote:
compilation time, you can have a cup of tea and enjoy the sunshine...
Anyway, t-zhspacing is much faster than lualatex. but 1 minutes to
compile a 100 pages document is still too long)
it all depends on what you use and want to achi
Yue Wang wrote:
> the software unusable (Imagine that you want to correct a minor error
> in a document and see the result, you press the typeset button in
> TeXWorks, leave the lualatex program running, and during the 5 minutes
it depends on usage:
if you want wysiwyg you should use a desk top
On May 13, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
(Just thinking alound: aren't there plenty of books around that also
mix lots of greek and latin, possibly using different fonts for them?
How do they deal with the problem, or is the problem just
neglectable?)
Dunno, AFAIR Thomas use swit
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Mojca Miklavec
wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:41, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>> Am 13.05.2009 um 12:17 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>
>>> Or do you want to suggest that one would possibly need both "serif"
>>> and "sans" variants of some Chinese font, often switc
Am 13.05.2009 um 13:12 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:41, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 13.05.2009 um 12:17 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
Or do you want to suggest that one would possibly need both "serif"
and "sans" variants of some Chinese font, often switching between
familie
Hi Mojca
let me show you a neat trick ... just as distraction of your thesis work
...
\starttypescript[serif] [modern]
\definefontsynonym [Whatever] [file:AdobeSongStd-Light]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[zhfont]
\definetypeface [zhfont] [rm] [serif] [modern] [default]
\stoptypescript
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:41, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 13.05.2009 um 12:17 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> Or do you want to suggest that one would possibly need both "serif"
>> and "sans" variants of some Chinese font, often switching between
>> families inside a document?
>
> That's what I m
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
\starttext
% test 1: takes 12 seconds
\dorecurse{1}{ hello {\cg 你好}}
% test 2: takes 9 seconds
\dorecurse{1}{ hello {\ccg 你好}}
\stoptext
Switching the whole typescript (\def\ccg{\zhfont} and running the
second test) took 123 seconds eating 100% of processor time.
Am 13.05.2009 um 12:17 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
Or do you want to suggest that one would possibly need both "serif"
and "sans" variants of some Chinese font, often switching between
families inside a document?
That's what I mean, also in chinese you use different fonts for
serif, sans and mono
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:02, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 13.05.2009 um 10:59 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> \definetypeface [myzhfont] [rm] [serif] [latin-modern] [default]
>> \definetypeface [myzhfont] [ss] [sans] [latin-modern] [default]
>> \definetypeface [myzhfont] [tt] [mono] [latin-modern
Am 13.05.2009 um 10:59 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
\definetypeface [myzhfont] [rm] [serif] [latin-modern] [default]
\definetypeface [myzhfont] [ss] [sans] [latin-modern] [default]
\definetypeface [myzhfont] [tt] [mono] [latin-modern] [default]
\definetypeface [myzhfont] [cjk] [cjk] [zhfont] [defaul
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:59, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
> I suspect that what LaTeX does is something similar to the following
> (in ConTeXt slang):
>
> \starttypescript[cjk] [zhfont]
> \definefontsynonym [CJK] [file:SimSun]
> \definefontsynonym [CJKBold] [file:SimSun] % you could
2009/5/12 Yue Wang:
> here is the xelatex result given by a chinese user:
>
> \documentclass{minimal}
> \usepackage{xeCJK}
> \setCJKfamilyfont{song}{SimSun}
> \begin{document}
> {hello {\CJKfamily{song}你好}}\par % 1 lines
> \end{document}
>
> got 209 pages, three seconds to run.
> note he is swi
Yue Wang wrote:
> After debugging for half an hour in the morning, finally I know why
> this is so slow on both XeTeX and pdfTeX.
> This problem is not an operating system issue, But a ConTeXt "feature".
>
> in font-mkii, you use the following to define a actual font
> (\definefontlocal and \defi
I can confirm that I am wrong.
2009/5/13 Yue Wang :
> Hi, Hans:
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> \setupbodyfont[myzhfont] \dorecurse{1}{{hello
>> {\switchtobodyfont[myzhfont] 你好}}\par}
>> so it's probably also an operating system issue (caching files in mem, disk
>>
Hi, Hans:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> \setupbodyfont[myzhfont] \dorecurse{1}{{hello
> {\switchtobodyfont[myzhfont] 你好}}\par}
> so it's probably also an operating system issue (caching files in mem, disk
> access etc)
After debugging for half an hour in the morning,
Yue Wang wrote:
So why XeTeX is spending 6 seconds aimlessly? since ConTeXt asked it
to search for a non-existed font.
keep in mind that the font (lmmono10-regular) *is* existing, it's ust
that xetex cannot find it as it favors names instead of files (and
praise yourself happy that it's not
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>
>> Yue Wang wrote:
\def\defaultfontfile{file:lmmono10-regular}
>>>
>>> After changing like this, XeTeX runs like a blink. (It wasted 6
>>> seconds for each compile. now it won't)
>>
>> Does that mean that the
Yue Wang wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Yue Wang wrote:
Hi, Hans:
here is the solution to your great feature:
huh? what great features? what's wrong with the features anyway? you want a
special version that instead prints hundreds of error messages each and
every
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Yue Wang wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>> Yue Wang wrote:
Hi, Hans:
here is the solution to your great feature:
>>>
>>> huh? what great features? what's wrong with the features anyway
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Yue Wang wrote:
\def\defaultfontfile{file:lmmono10-regular}
After changing like this, XeTeX runs like a blink. (It wasted 6
seconds for each compile. now it won't)
Does that mean that the near-endless font issues with xetex are
now finally fixed?
no ... suffix and nam
Yue Wang wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Yue Wang wrote:
Hi, Hans:
here is the solution to your great feature:
huh? what great features? what's wrong with the features anyway? you want a
special version that instead prints hundreds of error messages each and
every
Yue Wang wrote:
loading 6 fonts, each fonts will be scanned for 3 times. so there are
18 searching. 12 of them are fc searches, and these are quite slow.
if so, then this fc mechanism is pretty messed up as it's just a hash
lookup which cna be fast
also, it does not explain why simple plain
Yue Wang wrote:
>>
>> \def\defaultfontfile{file:lmmono10-regular}
>
> After changing like this, XeTeX runs like a blink. (It wasted 6
> seconds for each compile. now it won't)
Does that mean that the near-endless font issues with xetex are
now finally fixed?
Cheers,
Taco
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Yue Wang wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Hans:
>>
>> here is the solution to your great feature:
>
> huh? what great features? what's wrong with the features anyway? you want a
> special version that instead prints hundreds of error messages each and
> every
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Yue Wang wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>> Yue Wang wrote:
>>>
>>>
moreover, can you tell me why pdftex load these fonts so fast? (also 6
families * 3 sizes)
>>>
>>> i don't know; as the same cod
Yue Wang wrote:
Hi, Hans:
here is the solution to your great feature:
huh? what great features? what's wrong with the features anyway? you
want a special version that instead prints hundreds of error messages
each and every run because some font is missing which in practice is
harmless?
Yue Wang wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Yue Wang wrote:
moreover, can you tell me why pdftex load these fonts so fast? (also 6
families * 3 sizes)
i don't know; as the same code is used so it must be xetex itself then
Then let me tell you why: ConTeXt tries to l
Hi, Hans:
here is the solution to your great feature:
change
\def\defaultfontfile{lmmono10-regular}
in font-ini.mkii to
\def\defaultfontfile{"[lmmono10-regular]"}
to disable that feature.
Yue Wang
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Yue Wang wrote:
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Hans Hagen
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Yue Wang wrote:
>
>
>> moreover, can you tell me why pdftex load these fonts so fast? (also 6
>> families * 3 sizes)
>
> i don't know; as the same code is used so it must be xetex itself then
Then let me tell you why: ConTeXt tries to load lmmo
Yue Wang wrote:
> moreover, can you tell me why pdftex load these fonts so fast? (also 6
> families * 3 sizes)
i don't know; as the same code is used so it must be xetex itself then
-
Hans
Hi,
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>
> Yue Wang wrote:
>>
>> \font\a="[AdobeSongStd-Light]"
>
> Why? I asked to use \definefont.
After reading Hans' explanation, I understand what you said now.
\dorecurse{1}{ hello {\font\a="[AdobeSongStd-Light]"\a 你好}\par}
is fas
2009/5/12 Hans Hagen :
> Yue Wang wrote:
>> Thank you, Taco.
>>
>> currently I found one way to speed up font loading:
>>
>> \synchronizemathfontsfalse
>> \let\synchronizetext\relax
>> \starttypescript[serif] [myzhfont]
>> \definefontsynonym [Serif] [file:SimSun]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \d
Yue Wang wrote:
>
> \font\a="[AdobeSongStd-Light]"
Why? I asked to use \definefont.
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Yue Wang wrote:
>>> \font\a="[simsun]"
>>> \starttext
>>> \dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> runtime: TeXExec | runtime: 2.922
>>>
>>> \font\a="[simsun.ttf]"
>>> \starttext
>>> \dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
>>> \stoptext
as taco already mentioned there's a problem
Hi,
\font\a="[AdobeSongStd-Light.otf]"
\starttext
\dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
\stoptext
runtime = 3.25
\font\a="[AdobeSongStd-Light]"
\starttext
\dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
\stoptext
runtime=3.234
Yue Wang
2009/5/12 Taco Hoekwater :
>
>
> Yue Wang wrote:
>>
>> \font\
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
> Yue Wang wrote:
>> \font\a="[simsun]"
>> \starttext
>> \dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
>> \stoptext
>>
>> runtime: TeXExec | runtime: 2.922
>>
>> \font\a="[simsun.ttf]"
>> \starttext
>> \dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
>> \stoptext
>>
>> runtime: TeXExec | runt
Yue Wang wrote:
>
> \font\a="[simsun]"
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
> \stoptext
>
> runtime: TeXExec | runtime: 2.922
>
> \font\a="[simsun.ttf]"
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}\par}
> \stoptext
>
> runtime: TeXExec | runtime: 2.938
Please try an otf fo
Yue Wang wrote:
> Thank you, Taco.
>
> currently I found one way to speed up font loading:
>
> \synchronizemathfontsfalse
> \let\synchronizetext\relax
> \starttypescript[serif] [myzhfont]
> \definefontsynonym [Serif] [file:SimSun]
> \stoptypescript
> \definetypeface [myzhfont] [rm] [se
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>> > Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>>
>>> Hans Hagen wrote:
anyway .. i cannot comment on runtimes as xetex on my windows box runs
too slow (caching issue) and all examples are slow, no matter how i
specify
Hans Hagen wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans Hagen wrote:
anyway .. i cannot comment on runtimes as xetex on my windows box runs
too slow (caching issue) and all examples are slow, no matter how i
specify fonts so i will not look into the code till that gets fixed
first
The example with
Thank you, Taco.
currently I found one way to speed up font loading:
\synchronizemathfontsfalse
\let\synchronizetext\relax
\starttypescript[serif] [myzhfont]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [file:SimSun]
\stoptypescript
\definetypeface [myzhfont] [rm] [serif][myzhfont] [default]
\def\a{\m
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans Hagen wrote:
anyway .. i cannot comment on runtimes as xetex on my windows box runs
too slow (caching issue) and all examples are slow, no matter how i
specify fonts so i will not look into the code till that gets fixed first
The example with the typescript seems
Am 12.05.2009 um 11:09 schrieb Yue Wang:
Hi,
Sum up:
define a font usng typescripts takes 64.797 seconds.
You can speed it up when you replace \definetypeface (...) with
\definefont:
\unprotect
\definefontsynonym [ZhSerif] [name:AdobeSongStd-Light]
\definefont [ZhSeri
Hans Hagen wrote:
> anyway .. i cannot comment on runtimes as xetex on my windows box runs
> too slow (caching issue) and all examples are slow, no matter how i
> specify fonts so i will not look into the code till that gets fixed first
The example with the typescript seems logical to me: a type
Yue Wang wrote:
> here is the xelatex result given by a chinese user:
>
> \documentclass{minimal}
> \usepackage{xeCJK}
> \setCJKfamilyfont{song}{SimSun}
> \begin{document}
> {hello {\CJKfamily{song}你好}}\par % 1 lines
> \end{document}
>
> got 209 pages, three seconds to run.
> note he is switc
sorry the the context sample and latex sample are not equivalent
(note the \par).
So I test again:
\starttypescript[serif] [myzhfont]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [file:SimSun]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [file:SimSun]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [file:SimSun]
\define
here is the xelatex result given by a chinese user:
\documentclass{minimal}
\usepackage{xeCJK}
\setCJKfamilyfont{song}{SimSun}
\begin{document}
{hello {\CJKfamily{song}你好}}\par % 1 lines
\end{document}
got 209 pages, three seconds to run.
note he is switching families 2 times. (\family{f
Yue Wang wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sum up:
> define a font usng typescripts takes 64.797 seconds.
> define a font like \definefont[a][file:SimSun.ttf] takes 55.548 seconds
> define a font like \definefont[a][file:SimSun] takes 4.329 seconds
> define a font like \font\a="[simsun]" takes 1.812 seconds
>
> J
Hi,
Sum up:
define a font usng typescripts takes 64.797 seconds.
define a font like \definefont[a][file:SimSun.ttf] takes 55.548 seconds
define a font like \definefont[a][file:SimSun] takes 4.329 seconds
define a font like \font\a="[simsun]" takes 1.812 seconds
Jonathan and Jin-Hwan, sorry for th
Hi:
update: change the second example, remove the ".otf" suffix , and
texexec --xtx gives:
TeXExec | runtime: 5.766
Obviously, this is a parsing bug in ConTeXt.
I doubt the reason to the third one is the same.
Yue Wang
2009/5/12 Yue Wang :
> Hi, Hans and Jonathan:
>
> I made some testing samp
Hi, Hans and Jonathan:
I made some testing samples in ConTeXt to test XeTeX. but the result
is quite strange. All benchmark are get from the second run:
Sample 1:
\definefont[a][file:SimSun]
\starttext
\dorecurse{1}{ hello {\a 你好}}
\stoptext
And here is the result:
XeTeX: TeXExec | runtime
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