I see what you did there.
-sc
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, everyone
AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
Both 'Man, Economy and State' and 'Human Action' start from first principles,
and cover the ground far better than, for instance Samuelson, which I've read
in several editions, and which I can't recommend to anyone.
What is taught
.
** **
Cheers
Ken
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*From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, 11 September 2011 12:15 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
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Both 'Man, Economy and State' and 'Human Action' start from first
principles
be.
Cheers
Ken
*From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, 9 September 2011 9:59 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
This is just another argument about imperfect information. See my earlier
that consumers can purchase with a level of
confidence without needing to resort to their own investigation/verification.
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 9 September 2011 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
Alrighty
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*From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, 9 September 2011 9:59 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
** **
This is just another argument about imperfect information. See my earlier
response.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 22:45
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
** **
This is just another argument about imperfect information. See my earlier
response.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 22:45, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:*
***
Government regulations are not necessarily anti
of how things work, rather than reading
books arguing about how the world should be.
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Cheers
Ken
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*From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, 9 September 2011 9:59 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, everyone is (or the great majority of people are) wrong, you're right.
Only on a very limited set of subjects.
Economics, managed switches, and iPhone license agreements?
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
]
*Sent:* Friday, 9 September 2011 9:59 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
** **
This is just another argument about imperfect information. See my
earlier response.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 22:45, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
wrote:
Government
Let me know when you find your perfect market, perfect world (as you see it)
and then we will talk.
On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
No, a free market doesn't presume anything about information being equally
available. Freedom != equality.
On Thu, Sep 8,
I was getting ready to invoke Godwin’s law.
Regards,
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: DigiNotar compromise
Ok
[mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, 9 September 2011 11:51 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
** **
No, a free market doesn't presume anything about information being equally
available. Freedom != equality.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 16:32
I don't seek perfection. I merely see what's wrong now, and work against it.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 03:40, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me know when you find your perfect market, perfect world (as you see it)
and then we will talk.
On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Kurt Buff
with a
level of confidence without needing to resort to their own
investigation/verification.
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*From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, 9 September 2011 11:59 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
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Alrighty
.
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Regards,
** **
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
** **
*From:* Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 12:36 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: DigiNotar compromise
No, you argue. And you have a tendency to argue yourself into a corner and
not be able to 1) get out of it or 2) acknowledge that your argument has
trapped you.
And it's not as if economics is the only area where you've done this.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com
...SNOrt...*yawn*
Huh... whasgoingonhere?
-sc
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b
Such as forum-jockeys making unsupported assertions?
-sc
-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
I don't seek perfection. I merely see what's wrong now
I think this is relevant here:
http://unrforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Our-Discussion.jpg
- WJR
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:25, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you argue. And you have a tendency to argue yourself into a corner and
not be able to 1) get out of it
8675309 kinds of awesome.
-sc
From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
I think this is relevant here:
http://unrforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Our-Discussion.jpg
So, are you saying I cheated?
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote:
I think this is relevant here:
http://unrforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Our-Discussion.jpg
- WJR
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:25, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
I provide information, not accusation. ;)
- WJR
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 13:46, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
So, are you saying I cheated?
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote:
I think this is relevant here:
Too bad rational human beings don't exist.
From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
I think this is relevant here:
http://unrforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Our
Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 2:32 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
** **
I think this is relevant here:
http://unrforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Our-Discussion.jpg
- WJR
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011
Might wanna restrict that to whole numbers or even counting numbers. Rational
includes negatives :)
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
+ some random rational number.
ASB
http
I thought 12 17 were pretty good ;-]
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
As with most things of this nature the gold nuggets are in the comments. #16 is
the best
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
There's no rule that says that has to happen. It would appear
that most people chose price over security, and so far that has
generally meant that those who value security more are left
without any really satisfying
*A free market doesn't guarantee good results, just better results
than anything else.*
In theory. Outside of the textbook, the abundant use of free market often
requires regulatory intervention...
* *
*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB
And in practice.
Outside the textbook, laws and regulation which don't respect property and
contract rights robs the market of its ability to make decisions.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 13:28, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote:
*A free market doesn't guarantee good results, just better
Wrong.
The free market presumes that information is equally available.
And please don't go down the iPhone thread route again. That just got
silly, and you know it.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
And in practice.
Outside the textbook, laws and regulation
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
In theory. Outside of the textbook, the abundant use of
free market often requires regulatory intervention...
And in practice.
iPhone thread!
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~
Ok, Jon, having worked in healthcare myself, and having suffered through
overseas transcription, you got my attention on that oneI'm
curiousdo you have a specific news story or experience from which you
can elaborate?
Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE
Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and
I think it was about 2 years ago that some US hospital outsourced
transcription of records to India. If I am remembering this correctly. An
individual at the company took the records home did the transcription and
then posted them to a web site. The upload site was unsecured and the
records
I finally found the article or one that looked like it anyway.
Medical records from the University of California – San Francisco Medical
Center that had been sent to Pakistan for transcription were nearly
made public when a Pakistni transcriber threatened to post them on the
Internet. Lubna
I found it interesting, because I have firsthand knowledge of a healthcare
company that began outsourcing some of its transcription to the Philippines
sometime between 2001 and 2006. A few years ago, one of the former patients
emailed said company to tell them that an entire progress note from
Some things just should not be outsourced in my opinion. Moving work out of
the country to avoid spending more in country while worthwhile for a
business should be done with knowledge as to how security is maintained and
any laws in play. Work like transcription of medical records should not
The *market* makes decisions?
Where is this mythical market? The market is based on people, and if they
can't be trusted to make good decisions without oversight when grouped
together under the banner of government, they cannot be trusted to do so
when grouped together under the banner of
Alrighty then.
If you want us all to be more precise, I'll restate:
Laws and regulations that inhibit the free exercise of individual's rights
to their own property and right of contract (and by individuals I don't mean
corporations), deny the ability of the participants in the marketplace
exploded and would burned down a couple houses in the process.
A little regulation is a good thing.
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
Alrighty then.
If you want us all to be more
, 2011 8:59 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
** **
Alrighty then.
If you want us all to be more precise, I'll restate:
Laws and regulations that inhibit the free exercise of individual's rights
to their own property and right of contract
PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
Your example is an example of protecting the equal rights of all to their own
selves and property. If the judgement of the fire marshal was correct, then he
was correcting a clear and present danger to the lives and property
: Friday, 9 September 2011 11:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
No, a free market doesn't presume anything about information being equally
available. Freedom != equality.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 16:32, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
Alrighty then.
If you want us all to be more precise, I'll restate:
Laws and regulations that inhibit the free exercise of individual's rights to
their own property and right of contract (and by individuals I don't mean
corporations
...
At the explicit request of the Dutch government, the release of this update on
Windows Update will be delayed for the Netherlands.
Tobie
Sip:tobie.f...@freebridge.org.uk
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 September 2011 05:04
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote:
Could be just the sort of thing to instill some panic. Imagine
the whole CA system deemed untrustworthy overnight.
First it would have to be deemed trustworthy.
HHOS.
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
Hi Tim,
Perhaps you should say, former CA
They'll be dead before the paint dries on this investigation.
BTW, this is one reason why I never buy it that any particular vendor is likely
to be secure or robust or whatever because
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
Ah but maybe the lawsuits are about to start. Even the Dutch government is now
pulling the plug on their Certs. Since DigiNotar has been closed mouthed about
the extent of the hack
Honestly,
It doesn't surprise me on this one, I am sure there are others that are
just as bad or worse, that will get owned at sometime in the future and
the same kind of stuff will be un-earthed.
Z
Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan
I'm afraid you are right. Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm surprised that they didn't
take any apparent steps to secure their infrastructure.
...Tim
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: DigiNotar compromise
to decide whether a cheaper price is worth
the risk that too cheap a price is compromising due diligence on behalf of the
CA
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011 10:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: DigiNotar compromise
Honestly,
It doesn't
Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: DigiNotar compromise
And yet people ask: why should I pay $x * 100 for a Verisign/etc. cert
vs $x for a DigiNotar/etc. cert.
Yet, I suppose this is capitalism in action
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
And yet people ask: “why should I pay $x * 100 for a Verisign/etc. cert vs $x
for a DigiNotar/etc. cert”.
Yet, I suppose this is capitalism in action. ...
Of course, it was VeriSign that issued a certificate for
Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
wrote:
And yet people ask: why should I pay $x * 100 for a Verisign/etc.
cert vs $x for a DigiNotar/etc. cert.
Yet, I suppose this is capitalism in action. ...
Of course
, Apple) will prosper.
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011 11:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
And yet people ask: why
:* Wednesday, 7 September 2011 10:30 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: DigiNotar compromise
** **
Honestly,
** **
It doesn’t surprise me on this one, I am sure there are others that are
just as bad or worse, that will get owned at sometime in the future and the
same
[mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
*Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2011 10:30 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: DigiNotar compromise
** **
Honestly,
** **
It doesn’t surprise me on this one, I am sure there are others that are
just as bad or worse, that will get owned at sometime
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
Of course, it was VeriSign that issued a certificate for Microsoft to some
guy off the street, so apparently the invisible hand of capitalism ain't
doing
much for that, either.
I thought that was for the domain
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
At the margin, it will dissuade some people from using Verisign again. And
that impacts their bottom line.
Apparently, not significantly.
Eventually, for those that really care, there will be a CA that offers the
do turn out to be
true, Globalsign aren't exactly a pile high sell cheap SSL vendor.
From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 September 2011 5:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: DigiNotar compromise
While I do get you point about the relative costs
positive action, but if the claims
do turn out to be true, Globalsign aren't exactly a pile high sell cheap SSL
vendor.
--
*From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 07 September 2011 5:38 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise
Like the out sourcing of medical records transcription to India where the
out sourcing company had one of their employees take the records and post
them on the Internet for all to read? Out sourcing is still done and done
will little regard to security in some cases. Until both sides of the coin
I'll just leave this here. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959
(Top-posting always makes me feel dirty...)
--Steve
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote:
Like the out sourcing of medical records transcription to India where the
out sourcing
Winner.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Steve Kradel skra...@zetetic.net wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959
(Top-posting always makes me feel dirty...)
--Steve
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote:
Like
As with most things of this nature the gold nuggets are in the comments. #16
is the best.
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote:
Winner.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Steve Kradel skra...@zetetic.net wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
: DigiNotar compromise
Eventually, for those that really care, there will be a CA that offers
the highest levels of security. Probably at a premium price.
There's no rule that says that has to happen. It would appear that most
people chose price over security, and so far that has generally meant
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 13:01, Tim Evans tev...@sparling.com wrote:
If this is true, I find this absolutely unacceptable that a commercial CA
would run a system like this. Incredible
Hi Tim,
Perhaps you should say, former CA
They'll be dead before the paint dries on this investigation.
BTW, this is one reason why I never buy it that any particular vendor is
likely to be secure or robust or whatever because of the line of business
they're in. Just because they're a bank,
Ah but maybe the lawsuits are about to start. Even the Dutch government is
now pulling the plug on their Certs. Since DigiNotar has been closed
mouthed about the extent of the hack and even may have mislead people as to
not only the extent of the hack but the probable start date for the initial
I wonder what happens when the hackers go after telephone/ISP's once Cell
phones are used like credit cards.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/148/pocket-change.html
Jon
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah but maybe the lawsuits are about to start. Even
Ask not for whom the bell tolls...
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 20:10, Rene de Haas rene.deh...@gmail.com wrote:
*UPDATE Tues Sept 6, 14:30 GMT* : The alleged attacker of DigiNotar has
posted an update on PasteBin. He claims that he has access to four other
Certificate Authorities, and he names two
Why would he name them if he had yet to be detected?
Could be just the sort of thing to instill some panic. Imagine the whole
CA system deemed untrustworthy overnight.
* *
*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…
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