RE: SAN solutions

2010-01-20 Thread John Aldrich
Could well be. :-) -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Is this the Never Ending Story - Part II? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: John

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2010-01-20 Thread Ken Schaefer
Is this the Never Ending Story - Part II? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 9:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Disregard. We have neither Fiber Channel nor Macs here in our

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2010-01-20 Thread John Aldrich
From: WJH [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: SAN solutions Well I'm in the middle of implementing my second Apple Xsan. You can't beat the price really. We have a few video editing stations connected via fiber a

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2010-01-20 Thread John Aldrich
Wow! I'll have to look into that. Can you email me off-list with the vendor information? Thanks! -Original Message- From: WJH [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: re: SAN solutions Well I'm in the

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2010-01-19 Thread WJH
Well I'm in the middle of implementing my second Apple Xsan. You can't beat the price really. We have a few video editing stations connected via fiber and then one windows server that hosts the backup system/tape library. ADIC/Quantum provides the windows/linux connectivity to the Xsan. 32TB

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
9, 2010 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Check to see if you can mix/match on the same shelf. In many cases you cannot, and requires a new shelf be added to the SAN head, which may not be cheap. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.

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2010-01-19 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Subject: RE: SAN solutions Yeah, I'm planning on all SATA, at least to start with. The nice thing about the Hitachi is that it can mix/match SATA and SAS. That's something I need to look at though, is whether you have to buy the whole intelligence when you want to expand or if you can j

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2010-01-19 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Have you looked the versions of these Dell re-sells? Can be significantly cheaper, IME. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions I have looked at Equallogic and EMC

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
like some other vendors. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions You should look at all the vendors out there, including software based ones, and t

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
-AldrichTile-Tools From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions Here's a question... Why is he a former CDW Rep, and who is he with now? Was he your CDW rep? What about your new CDW rep?

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
it does bother me a bit. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Indeed. My own $0.02: an HDS solution may not be the best bang-for the buck. Chec

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2010-01-19 Thread Benjamin Zachary - Lists
cent price, depends on what you can live with. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Well, according to the sales guy, a few years ago Hitachi decided they wanted to start making SA

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2010-01-19 Thread Jonathan Link
hn.c...@pfsf.org] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:27 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: SAN solutions > > > > +1 on the top to bottom need if it’s your first experience with a SAN. I > did a lot of learning and cursing trying to do my first one wi

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
, January 19, 2010 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions +1 on the top to bottom need if it’s your first experience with a SAN. I did a lot of learning and cursing trying to do my first one without training (although it was a FC setup which added to my suffering – I had to

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2010-01-19 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Indeed. My own $0.02: an HDS solution may not be the best bang-for the buck. Check out Dell's EMC or EqualLogic stuff? -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
hat case, I guess. J John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions As long as you aren't requiring something that needs shared storage (VMware Live motion, Windo

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
know it exists. I still don't know much about it. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions An HDS SAN w 6TB for 20K? A TRUE HDS SAN is a tier 1 storage produc

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2010-01-19 Thread John Cook
artin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions An HDS SAN w 6TB for 20K? A TRUE HDS SAN is a tier 1 storage product. I can't even accurately guess, but with the needed tools, apps, etc, you are lookin

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
Ok. Thanks. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions You will want to segregate your SAN traffic as much as possible. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr

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2010-01-19 Thread Steven M. Caesare
John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Ahh... Well, I'm not sure how well that'd work out, although if I can have the second server set up to connect if the primary server

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2010-01-19 Thread Martin Blackstone
You will want to segregate your SAN traffic as much as possible. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Ahh. Well, I'm not sure how well that'd work out, although if

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2010-01-19 Thread Martin Blackstone
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Ahh. Got a sales guy who used to work for CDW who thinks he can hook me up with two dual-controller SANs, including on-board replication for a hair

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
ince I have extra fiber pairs available, I'll probably run a dedicated channel for the primary SAN here at the main plant and figure something out for the SAN at the D/R site later. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:

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2010-01-19 Thread Steven M. Caesare
A single iSCSI initiator would limit you to one server connected via iSCSI at a time. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Ok, I'll admit to being extremely &

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2010-01-19 Thread John Aldrich
nect the SAN to the server and share the files out over that server, that only one person at a time can access the data? John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solution

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2010-01-18 Thread Jonathan Link
e: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] > > > > *From:* asbz...@gmail.com [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 4:18 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: SAN solutions > > > > +1 > > ASB > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Bla

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2010-01-18 Thread John Aldrich
st the changes!) and installation, and 3 year nbd warranty for just over $21,000. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: asbz...@gmail.com [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions +1 ASB Sent from my Verizon

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2010-01-18 Thread asbzone
+1 ASB Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kevin Lundy Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:01:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions Assuming these are HDS - you need to make sure and also get all the management tools priced. That is one thing I

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2010-01-18 Thread asbzone
NexSan is a good midrange solution. Btw, you have competing goals: *wow* products tend to come with a *wow* price. And, for the needs that you stated earlier, I don't see the need for a ton of features. Get a solid midrange product that will last for 3-4 years, and can expand a little b

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2010-01-18 Thread John Aldrich
Hmm. Ok. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. Make sure I'm not getting a "bait and switch." John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions Assuming these a

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2010-01-18 Thread Kevin Lundy
ard replication for a hair > over $20K. That’s for about 6 Terabytes. I’ll ask for more info in that > case. J > > > > [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] > > > > *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 3:53 PM > *T

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2010-01-18 Thread John Aldrich
mailto:klu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 3:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions Hitachi (HDS) makes some awesome SANs. One of the tier 1 providers. Tier 1 price as well. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:45 PM, John Aldrich wrote: Just wondering if any of you have heard

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2010-01-18 Thread Kevin Lundy
Hitachi (HDS) makes some awesome SANs. One of the tier 1 providers. Tier 1 price as well. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:45 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > Just wondering if any of you have heard of NexSan? What about Hitachi?? > Any thoughts on either of these as a SAN vendor? I’m still trying to find >

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2009-10-28 Thread N Parr
+1 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions Or add another EqualLogic to your storage pool... On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote

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2009-10-28 Thread Jonathan Link
t; > Tim > > > > *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:01 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: SAN solutions > > > > The problem being solved is *not *merely the replication of 150GB of dat

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2009-10-28 Thread Andrew S. Baker
> > *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:01 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: SAN solutions > > > > The problem being solved is *not *merely the replication of 150GB of data. > > The problem, as

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2009-10-28 Thread Tim Vander Kooi
to it for years and years to come. I am willing, and able, to pay for that peace of mind as I find it to be worth more than the actual hardware over time. Tim From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN

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2009-10-28 Thread Andrew S. Baker
ich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:27 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: SAN solutions > > > > Well, I’m looking to off-load our storage to a dedicated storage appliance > from our mirrored Dell servers. Current

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2009-10-28 Thread Sean Martin
arpet.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:27 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: SAN solutions > > > > Well, I’m looking to off-load our storage to a dedicated storage appliance > from our mirrored Dell servers. Currently we are using about 150 Gi

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2009-10-28 Thread Mike Gill
2009 10:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Well, I'm looking to off-load our storage to a dedicated storage appliance from our mirrored Dell servers. Currently we are using about 150 Gigs of drive space on the servers (again.mirrored for D/R purposes.) I am

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2009-10-28 Thread Garcia-Moran, Carlos
blocks in place on Fiber for faster access. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions +1 -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jonathan Link &l

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2009-10-28 Thread Andrew S. Baker
* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:23 PM >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* RE: SAN solutions >> >> >> >> Probably not apples to apples but I had a quote for an 8TB EQ array for >> well l

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2009-10-28 Thread Andrew S. Baker
t; > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:25 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: SAN solutions > > > > In your previous discussions you mentioned that you're not using anywhere > near 5 TB

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2009-10-28 Thread John Aldrich
jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions In your previous discussions you mentioned that you're not using anywhere near 5 TB now. IIRC it was 1.5? I would suggest that you're overbuying storage upfront.

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2009-10-28 Thread Jonathan Link
[image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] > > > > *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:23 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: SAN solutions > > > > Probably not apples to apples but I had a qu

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2009-10-27 Thread John Aldrich
Yeah. the quote I got from Dell was MSRP because I'm working with a VAR and they won't quote against themselves. J John-AldrichTile-Tools From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions

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2009-10-27 Thread John Aldrich
r a 5 Mbit VPN. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN solutions What is the budget you working with (or you believe you'll be constrained to?) That might help your

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2009-10-27 Thread N Parr
Probably not apples to apples but I had a quote for an 8TB EQ array for well less than 20 a few months ago. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions

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2009-10-27 Thread Brian Desmond
hn Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Yeah... but I have a feeling that the Compellent solution may be lower cost. :) I got an MSRP on an Equallogic system... $42K for a 5 Tb useable system... N

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2009-10-27 Thread Andrew S. Baker
mond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:53 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: SAN solutions > > > > *Lefthand (Bought by HP) and Equalogic (bought by Dell) play in this space > as well. * > > * * > > *Than

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2009-10-27 Thread John Aldrich
d.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN solutions Lefthand (Bought by HP) and Equalogic (bought by Dell) play in this space as well. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: John Aldrich [mailto:

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2009-10-27 Thread Brian Desmond
Lefthand (Bought by HP) and Equalogic (bought by Dell) play in this space as well. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN solutions A