RE: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> Eran's suggestion of "Service", "Client", and "User-Agent" sounds likes > it might work well to clarify the text. I'll go as far as claiming that OAuth is a traditional client-server model. The client uses a token to access resources. The fact that those resources are owned by a third entity d

[oauth] how to be oAuth service provider enabled?

2009-03-02 Thread Grace
Hi everyone, I am new to oAuth & opensocial. A bit confused on oAuth issue. I am trying to build an opensocial api that enable end user add in the google, via this api, they would be able to access the private data on our web application(our server). After reading some docs, I now understand th

RE: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-02 Thread Manger, James H
[johnk said] > The problem is that the term 'consumer' is quite accurate and > descriptive when you imagine that a software application, in the role > of a consumer, is consuming the output of the "service provider". An > 'application' is certainly an OAuth system entity, but the application

[oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread John Kemp
On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Brian Eaton wrote: > > Ah, I totally forgot about the whole "consumer key" nomenclature. > > It would make me incredibly happy if OAuth talked about "consumer > name" Exactly, the "consumer key" is an _identifier_ (a name) for the consuming application. - johnk >

Re: consumer (was Re: [oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL)

2009-03-02 Thread John Kemp
On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Manger, James H wrote: > I would be incredibly happy if OAuth talked about Applications, > instead of Consumers (a term many have found strange). The problem is that the term 'consumer' is quite accurate and descriptive when you imagine that a software application

[oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
I don't think application is a good term for the "role" but it certainly should be used in the explanation. EHL > -Original Message- > From: oauth@googlegroups.com [mailto:oa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Manger, James H > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:32 PM > To: oauth@googlegrou

[oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread Manger, James H
I would be incredibly happy if OAuth talked about Applications, instead of Consumers (a term many have found strange). Given that oauth_consumer_key is baked into the protocol, this might be a lost cause. Perhaps improving the nomenclature is more important. The spec could add a note that for hi

[oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread Krishna Sankar (ksankar)
The agent is a overused term and we still need to differentiate between the service provider and the service aggregator. What about service originator, service provider/cloud provider/service aggregator and service consumer ? Or some version of it. Then we can talk about SO Key or SP key or SC

[oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
I would like to change the entire Service Provider and Consumer terms. Just use Server, Client, and User-Agent... Yes, Consumer Key is AWEFUL! I think we can change it. The migration path is going to be trivial (accept both for a while). EHL On 3/2/09 5:37 PM, "Brian Eaton" wrote: > > > Ah

[oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread Brian Eaton
Ah, I totally forgot about the whole "consumer key" nomenclature. It would make me incredibly happy if OAuth talked about "consumer name" and "consumer secret", because crypto geeks and others tend to think that "keys" are secrets. The OAuth consumer key is not secret, thus leading to confusion.

[oauth] OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread Manger, James H
OAuth’s use of “Consumer Developer” versus “Consumer” can be confusing. It can sound like the OAuth spec is trying to distinguish: the software developer who wrote a web app; from a web site where the web app is deployed. A software developer can write lots of web apps. A web app can be installe

[oauth] Re: OAuth with Shindig (Values for Keys)

2009-03-02 Thread gerald
I think the procedure to get consumer keys and secrets depends on the service providers. You should consult the related document of service providers. If you want to use Google applications as OAuth service provider, read this page http://code.google.com/apis/accounts/docs/RegistrationForWebApps

[oauth] Re: FYI: State of the (OAuth) Union

2009-03-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> a) Instead of another "easy-to-read" specification document > of some kind, might be easier to write an OAuth Primer (similar to what > W3C does). The document can have a section on "Lessons learned from > implementations". Naturally all of these will get folded into the RFC. The s

[oauth] Re: FYI: State of the (OAuth) Union

2009-03-02 Thread Krishna Sankar (ksankar)
Eran, Excellent write-up. Couple of quick points: a) Instead of another "easy-to-read" specification document of some kind, might be easier to write an OAuth Primer (similar to what W3C does). The document can have a section on "Lessons learned from implementations". Naturall

[oauth] Re: ProblemReporting response format

2009-03-02 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi again, it could be nice adding in the wiki page the HTTP error code - according to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html spec - that the SP should be send to the consumer for each problem. Are there already been defined? Otherwise, I propose following codes: BAD_REQUEST = 400

[oauth] Re: FYI: State of the (OAuth) Union

2009-03-02 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi Eran, congratulations, excellent post! It clarified a lot of questions I had but that I've never asked :P Best regards! Simone 2009/3/2 Eran Hammer-Lahav : > > http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2009/03/state-of-the-oauth-union.html > > OAuth Core 1.0 was declared as final specification almo

[oauth] ProblemReporting response format

2009-03-02 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all folks, I've a a maybe already asked question, so apologize in advance if I didn't find the reply I'm looking for in the archive, I 'googled' and raw codes before but unfortunately I didn't clarify my doubt. I've been developing an OAuth SP for a customer and while writing the Problem Repor

[oauth] FYI: State of the (OAuth) Union

2009-03-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2009/03/state-of-the-oauth-union.html OAuth Core 1.0 was declared as final specification almost a year and a half ago. The overall reception was incredible with almost overnight adoption from major web players like Google, Yahoo, and MySpace. We even got the

[oauth] Re: OAuth FAIL

2009-03-02 Thread zhenhua guo
Yes. You are right. Maybe you can read following OAuth draft which tries to specify how to sign http request bodies that are not application/x-www-form-urlencoded. http://oauth.googlecode.com/svn/spec/ext/body_hash/1.0/drafts/1/spec.html. Also the discussion in following web page is quite helpful