Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread John Bradley
Thanks Barry, We had to partially roll our own registration spec because there was no common one at the time. We did however partially base ours on the UMA one and now we have sever groups working on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg/ based on implementation experience

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Brian Campbell
I do believe some face to face discussion amongst a smallerish group might be valuable on this. I'll be in Orlando and plan on contributing to that as much as I can. Thanks for organizing the lunch discussion Stephen. I do feel that this conversation has strayed a bit and I'd like to clear up one

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Barry Leiba
> > "Dynamically declaring," in what sense? Where are those mechanisms > documented? > > ** ** > > Many of them are documented in draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg. > > ** ** > > One profile (an outer doll J) that enables fully interoperable > implementations is documented in draft-hardjono-oauth-u

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Barry Leiba
> > It seems like the scope of your criticism has more to do with RFC 6749 & > RFC 6750 overall, than the assertions drafts themselves. > No, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I mentioned the token-type issue only by way of background. As it happens, I do think it was a mistake to publis

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Mike Jones
ed inside of enterprises and at cloud services as well. -- Mike From: barryleiba.mailing.li...@gmail.com [mailto:barryleiba.mailing.li...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:37 AM To: Mike Jones Cc: Barry Leiba; oauth-cha...@tools

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Barry Leiba
I'll get to John's message later, after I digest it more. I can reply to this one now. please explain how you and I can each write applications to that? > > ** > > ** ** > > You can write applications to that by having the profile chain end, and > with the contents of the Audience field being com

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Mike Jones
:barryle...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:38 PM To: Mike Jones Cc: Stephen Farrell; oauth@ietf.org; oauth-cha...@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan OK, I have some time to respond to this on a real computer. Let's look at th

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread John Bradley
Barry, I will point out that in RFC 6749 the Client is specificity not required to understand the access token, it is required to understand the token_type in the response from the authorization server in order to know how to present the token to the RS. Perhaps you were speaking metaphoricall

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Barry, I agree with you generally, but just on one point... On 02/18/2013 05:38 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > That's why I say that as I see it, it's not an issue of MTI. I do think there is an issue related to MTI that's affecting the discussion. Clearing up that issue won't by itself solve th

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Barry Leiba
OK, I have some time to respond to this on a real computer. Let's look at the general mechanism that oauth provides, using one use case: A client asks an authorization server for authorization to do something. The authorization server responds with an authorization token, which the client is requi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread John Bradley
-- Mike > > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:25 PM > To: Mike Jones > Cc: oauth@ietf.org; Barry Leiba; oauth-cha...@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth as

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
In some off-list mail between Mike and I, he said: >> Was TCP a bad idea because it didn't have MTI port numbers? Would >> it have improved TCP to add an MTI port or two? To which I responded: > Ports are MTI for TCP. [1] They are 16 bit values > with a well-defined test for equality and a lit

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Mike Jones
ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan Hi Mike, On 02/17/2013 08:41 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > I've been thinking about Barry's DISCUSS for a bit. No one else has > responded yet, so I guess I'll jump in and share my perspective. > > As I see it, the OA

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
> read it in a while. Good things really can come in small packages! > > -Original Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Stephen Farrell > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:25 AM > To: oauth@ietf.org > Cc: Bar

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Mike Jones
y 17, 2013 11:25 AM To: oauth@ietf.org Cc: Barry Leiba; oauth-cha...@tools.ietf.org Subject: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan Hi all, The OAuth assertion document has received DISCUSSes as you can see from the data tracker at [1]. I've been chatting with the chairs and the ADs with those DISCUS

[OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, The OAuth assertion document has received DISCUSSes as you can see from the data tracker at [1]. I've been chatting with the chairs and the ADs with those DISCUSSes in the last few days. The main concern is that these documents do not sufficiently specify the functionality that is neede