Re: Fw: We need your help

Have you added the language already? Or somewhere else? I cannot see it on this page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan If you have any problems please do not hesitate to tell us. Marcus Am 07/20/2011 07:39 AM, schrieb Haji Gul Wahaj: Hello all, A

RE: RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:45 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Let me ask the question in reverse: how long do you think that we should > leave the door open, no questions asked? Why? Til July 31, because it's long enough in a completely arbitrary way. Those dedicated to OOo and who have no prob

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Hi Dennis, I disagree with you in the opinion that the door needs to be closed some day and that people need to be sorted out. This can easily be felt to be very alienating, without any positive effect. Lets choose the example that an initial commiter signs up the iCLA only next year. The re

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Hi Ingrid, *, On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM, IngridvdM wrote: > > I disagree with you in the opinion that the door needs to be closed some day > and that people need to be sorted out. This can easily be felt to be very > alienating, without any positive effect. I strongly disagree here. The d

Re: single repository status

Hi, I also think that we need codebase in svn soon. Following your all pretty good comments, import a "perfect" hg history into svn seems not to be quite easy... and will require works and effort. As Michael Stahl says "Hg/git/otherDSCMs and SVN have fundamentally different data models for r

Re: Oracle Connector for SharePoint

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton < dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > I'm not up for working on CMIS at this time, personally, but I think there > is an open-source toolkit from Alfresco that might help if it is not already > being used. John Newton was very keen on encouraging

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

I think Christian is right. It's about to close the gate for being a *initial* committer. Not the *normal* committer status. And for this we have to define a deadline. My suggestion is still end of July or latestly end of August. When you have entered your name on the list on the beginning an

Re: [PROPOSAL] ODF Toolkit for Incubation

+1 > == Background == > The ODF Toolkit Union was jointly announced by Sun and IBM at the > OpenOffice.org Conference in Beijing, November 2008. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jhpOvocJCrShDVkE8lObEQ?feat=directlink https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WkrnKIHG-ecC7llqFXc63w?feat=directlink

Re: Suggestion for OOo branding...

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > 2011/7/22 Andrew Rist > > >> I think we need an approach for issues like the icon set that allow >> developers to produce, >> and the community to review, alternate sets of resources.  It would be good >> to agree >> on a common set of de

Re: Oracle Connector for SharePoint

Hi, 2011/7/23 Jürgen Schmidt : > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton < > dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: >> I'm not up for working on CMIS at this time, personally, but I think there >> is an open-source toolkit from Alfresco that might help if it is not already >> being used.  Jo

Re: single repository status

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:22 AM, florent andré wrote: > Hi, > > I also think that we need codebase in svn soon. > Yes. > Following your all pretty good comments, import a "perfect" hg history into > svn seems not to be quite easy... and will require works and effort. > > As Michael Stahl says "H

Re: RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Let me ask the question in reverse: how long do you think that we should > leave the door open, no questions asked?  Why? > I was thinking September 15th. If we have not heard at all from someone it may be an indication that they are

Re: Unsubscribe (was Re: ICU)

Hi Richard, Please don't send your passwords to the list. This is a public mailing list and that won't do anything to help you avoid unwanted emails. I've checked our subscriber list and I do not see "whitehous...@yahoo.com" subscribed to this list at all. I also searched for any address that m

Re: Suggestion for OOo branding...

2011/7/23 Rob Weir [...] In other words, we need people to stand up and say, "I want to do X". > "X" is then a proposal that is discussed. If there are no objections, > then the person who volunteered to do "X" does it. (Lazy consensus). > If the task is so obviously necessary that no one would

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> Let me ask the question in reverse: how long do you think that we should >> leave the door open, no questions asked? Why? >> > > I was thinking September 15th. +1 - That's about 3

Re: Suggestion for OOo branding...

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > 2011/7/23 Rob Weir > > [...] > > In other words, we need people to stand up and say, "I want to do X". >> "X" is then a proposal that is discussed.  If there are no objections, >> then the person who volunteered to do "X" does it. (Lazy

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Am 07/23/2011 05:11 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Let me ask the question in reverse: how long do you think that we should leave the door open, no questions asked? Why? I was thinking Sep

Re: single repository status

On 07/23/2011 03:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:22 AM, florent andré wrote: Hi, I also think that we need codebase in svn soon. Yes. Following your all pretty good comments, import a "perfect" hg history into svn seems not to be quite easy... and will require works an

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Please find my comments inline. Am 23.07.2011 14:45, schrieb Marcus (OOo): I think Christian is right. It's about to close the gate for being a *initial* committer. Not the *normal* committer status. I don't have gotten that wrong. I was talking about the initial committers too. And for thi

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Am 07/23/2011 06:29 PM, schrieb IngridvdM: Please find my comments inline. Am 23.07.2011 14:45, schrieb Marcus (OOo): I think Christian is right. It's about to close the gate for being a *initial* committer. Not the *normal* committer status. I don't have gotten that wrong. I was talking abou

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:29 AM, IngridvdM wrote: > Please find my comments inline. > > Am 23.07.2011 14:45, schrieb Marcus (OOo): >> I think Christian is right. It's about to close the gate for being a >> *initial* committer. Not the *normal* committer status. >> > I don't have gotten that wrong.

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Am 23.07.2011 18:51, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:29 AM, IngridvdM wrote: Please find my comments inline. Am 23.07.2011 14:45, schrieb Marcus (OOo): [...] And for this we have to define a deadline. My suggestion is still end of July or latestly end of August. No given reason

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Am 07/23/2011 06:51 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:29 AM, IngridvdM wrote: Please find my comments inline. Am 23.07.2011 14:45, schrieb Marcus (OOo): I think Christian is right. It's about to close the gate for being a *initial* committer. Not the *normal* committer status.

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > There are 20 Initial Committers on the OpenOffice.org incubator proposal who > have not yet submitted iCLAs or informed us of their intention not to do so. > > Today I used the following format for a message to one of those Initial >

When does one become a committer?

After we vote in a new committer, there are several steps that follow, including sending them an note telling them they've been voted in, having them return an iCLA, waiting for the iCLA to be recorded, choosing an Apache ID, getting an Apache account, etc. At what point are they considered offici

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

Having extensions separated from the source tree of the core product doesn't mean they can't be part of some installation set. This is just about packaging then. Malte. On 22.07.2011 17:11, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- On Fri, 7/22/11, Malte Timmermann wrote: Wrt PDF Import Extension, and

RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Here is what I propose based on the discussion so far: 1. Make the modifications to the message already proposed, but without addition of any kind of deadline. Simply request their intentions to file an iCLA (and by when) or not. I do want to be gracious and accept that there may be many di

Re: Suggestion for OOo branding...

On 23.07.2011 07:09, Graham Lauder wrote: ...I suspect that the original reasoning behind the ODF thing was a corporate strategy to wave OOo as the primary application for producing compliant ODF documents. The trend, especially in Europe, was towards mandating ODF in Govt and so they wanted to

RE: When does one become a committer?

My sense is that no one is a committer for the Apache OpenOffice.org podling who has not shown up on this list: . That does not happen until after the Apache user name/ID has been issued by root@. Likewise, one is not on the PPMC until ha

RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Rob, You have more information than I do on the subject (having never figured out how to access the ooo-dev subscriber list). My impression is that most of those I am proposing to contact have not made an appearance on the ooo-dev list. I think there have been a post or two by a couple of t

Re: When does one become a committer?

On 23 July 2011 19:40, Rob Weir wrote: > After we vote in a new committer, there are several steps that follow, > including sending them an note telling them they've been voted in, > having them return an iCLA, waiting for the iCLA to be recorded, > choosing an Apache ID, getting an Apache account

RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Ingrid, You can help me. I am having difficulty finding a concrete case for completely open-ended invitation of Initial Committers. Suppose you were on the Initial Committer list. You had not sent an iCLA. You had not responded to a request to take that step as part of being established as a

Re: When does one become a committer?

For me the main point is the vote. You should note that it is still possible that one can rejecting the vote and still keep the role as a normal contributor, user, etc. So, no vote, no committer status. *) Everything else like signed iCLA, chosen ID, subscribing to mailing lists is kind of foll

[DISCUSS] "PPMC Standing Rules" for a Standing Rule

Apache defines [1] a Project Management Committee as: "A project management committee (PMC) is a committee of the Apache Software Foundation charged with responsibility for a top level project. The PMC is the vehicle through which decision making power and responsibility for oversight is devolved

Re: When does one become a committer?

On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > After we vote in a new committer, there are several steps that follow, > including sending them an note telling them they've been voted in, > having them return an iCLA, waiting for the iCLA to be recorded, > choosing an Apache ID, getting an Apache

Re: [DISCUSS] "PPMC Standing Rules" for a Standing Rule

Hi Rob, +1 While formal, I think that this will help. On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Apache defines [1] a Project Management Committee as: > > "A project management committee (PMC) is a committee of the Apache > Software Foundation charged with responsibility for a top level >

RE: When does one become a committer?

I think election is an incorrect threshhold. I think the comparable state would be taking office, and that means having the Apache user name/ID and being in authz for the particular project. You can't actually perform as a committer until that has been accomplished. - Dennis Of course, my e

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

--- On Sat, 7/23/11, Malte Timmermann wrote: > Having extensions separated from the > source tree of the core product > doesn't mean they can't be part of some installation set. > > This is just about packaging then. > Having the extensions in the same tarball usually makes packaging easier, a

Re: Fw: We need your help

Hello all, I need to introduce myself to the list. I'm a developer that is interested in helping this project. My primary skill set is in Enterprise Web systems. I was hoping to contribute to this worthy project. My primary interest at this point is in the porting area. I've been learking so fa

Re: When does one become a committer?

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I think election is an incorrect threshhold.  I think the comparable state > would be taking office, and that means having the Apache user name/ID and > being in authz for the particular project.  You can't actually perform as a > com

Re: Fw: We need your help

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Greg Roberts wrote: > Hello all, > > I need to introduce myself to the list. I'm a developer that is interested in > helping this project. My primary skill set is in Enterprise Web systems. I > was hoping to contribute to this worthy project. My primary interest

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

Hi Dennis, Am 23.07.2011 21:35, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: Ingrid, You can help me. I am having difficulty finding a concrete case for completely open-ended invitation of Initial Committers. I don't know whether there are any, I haven't searched. Suppose you were on the Initial Committer

Re: [DISCUSS] "PPMC Standing Rules" for a Standing Rule

On 7/23/2011 3:39 PM, Rob Weir wrote: Apache defines [1] a Project Management Committee as: "A project management committee (PMC) is a committee of the Apache Software Foundation charged with responsibility for a top level project. The PMC is the vehicle through which decision making power and r

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

(with my mentors hat) On 23 July 2011 22:08, IngridvdM wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > Am 23.07.2011 21:35, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: ... >> If that was you, what would you be holding onto by wanting that invitation >> to be permanent without taking the steps that go with accepting it? >> > I simply

Re: When does one become a committer?

This is a great discussion. One meta-point to consider: how important (re: urgent) is this to decide right now? If people find this work interesting, that's great. But in terms of rules and procedures, sometimes it's fine to not over-document the rules until there's a case where they're real

RE: When does one become a committer?

I favor Rob's perspective on this. I think 6 months is too long for someone who has never served as a committer or demonstrated contribution (i.e., an invisible Initial Committer), but 6 months might be fine for established committers who then, either immediately or eventually stop contributing

RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

With regard to e-mail addresses, we use those on the proposal Initial Committers list. We have no others. I had a copy of the list that was used for the 6/23 follow-up and we found that two bounced because I had transcribed them incorrectly. Those were corrected and the follow-up resent. I am

Too many rules? (Re: When does one become a committer?)

On 23 July 2011 22:50, Shane Curcuru wrote: > If people find this work interesting, that's great.  But in terms of rules > and procedures, sometimes it's fine to not over-document the rules until > there's a case where they're really needed. +1000 (I'm referring to the general concept not any spe

Re: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

( - note that Ross Gardler has some good comments in this thread as well) On 7/23/2011 1:45 PM, IngridvdM wrote: Am 23.07.2011 18:51, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:29 AM, IngridvdM wrote: Please find my comments inline. Am 23.07.2011 14:45, schrieb Marcus (OOo): [...] And fo

Re: Suggestion for OOo branding...

On 2011/07/23 1:01 PM Malte Timmermann wrote: On 23.07.2011 07:09, Graham Lauder wrote: ...I suspect that the original reasoning behind the ODF thing was a corporate strategy to wave OOo as the primary application for producing compliant ODF documents. The trend, especially in Europe, was towa

RE: Suggestion for OOo branding...

What ODF Oligarchy? OASIS certainly had nothing to do with branding of OpenOffice.org and its choice of icons. The ODF TC has never been consulted on such matters. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Larry Gusaas [mailto:larry.gus...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 13:24 To: o

Fwd: Re: RE: RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

-- Forwarded message -- From: "Wolf Halton" Date: Jul 23, 2011 2:10 AM Subject: Re: RE: RE: [DISCUSS] : Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status To: So it is sort of an invisible line. The way you are framing the issue, and the work you have done to help the initial committ

Re: When does one become a committer?

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > This is a great discussion.  One meta-point to consider: how important (re: > urgent) is this to decide right now? > The discussion continues to resurface and is unresolved. One possible outcome is that we rescind the committer invitations

Re: Too many rules? (Re: When does one become a committer?)

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 23 July 2011 22:50, Shane Curcuru wrote: >> If people find this work interesting, that's great.  But in terms of rules >> and procedures, sometimes it's fine to not over-document the rules until >> there's a case where they're really neede

Re: Suggestion for OOo branding...

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > What ODF Oligarchy? > > OASIS certainly had nothing to do with branding of OpenOffice.org and its > choice of icons.  The ODF TC has never been consulted on such matters. > The OASIS ODF Adoption TC did promote an ODF logo, but I don't

Re: Too many rules? (Re: When does one become a committer?)

On 24 July 2011 01:06, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> On 23 July 2011 22:50, Shane Curcuru wrote: >>> If people find this work interesting, that's great.  But in terms of rules >>> and procedures, sometimes it's fine to not over-document the rules unt

Re: svn commit: r793236 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/svn-basics.html

Hi Carl, This is great! I like the discussion about the svn commit, but as I've been thinking about the website version of this what I have been thinking about since I've never really done it is describing how to use patch to apply a patch created with "svn diff". I have been doing research on

Re: Suggestion for OOo branding...

Hello, 2011/7/23 Rob Weir > Was this a case of there not being enough volunteers to do the work? > Or the work as already done, but the work as not being integrated into > the build? > > There are really three kinds of proposals: > > 1) Good idea, and there are enough people willing to contribut