Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-08 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
If Medsphere OpenVista is to be included in OSHCA, alongside World Vista, please give me the details that should be included and if any clauses need to be mentioned. Nandalal --- Tim Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred Trotter wrote: > > The software in question was not VistA at all. It >

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-06 Thread Tim Churches
Fred Trotter wrote: > The software in question was not VistA at all. It was developed internally > at Medsphere. We are simply talking about a company that placed an "open > source" offering on sourceforge and then, dramatically, had the software > removed. > > They have since released one of the

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-06 Thread Tim Churches
Tim Cook wrote: > JohnLeo Zimmer, MD wrote: > . >> Thus, Medsphere's GPL license can be applied only to the <> >> between OpenVista server and FOIA VistA. (Likewise, any modifications >> World Vista makes to VistA.) >> >> IMHO, of course, >> jlz > > I don't believe so. Public domain software CAN

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-06 Thread Tim Cook
JohnLeo Zimmer, MD wrote: . > > Thus, Medsphere's GPL license can be applied only to the <> > between OpenVista server and FOIA VistA. (Likewise, any modifications > World Vista makes to VistA.) > > IMHO, of course, > jlz I don't believe so. Public domain software CAN be re-released under ANY

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-06 Thread Fred Trotter
The software in question was not VistA at all. It was developed internally at Medsphere. We are simply talking about a company that placed an "open source" offering on sourceforge and then, dramatically, had the software removed. They have since released one of the items they yanked under an "open

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-06 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
On Mar 6, 2007, at 4:51 AM, JohnLeo Zimmer, MD wrote: > Thus, Medsphere's GPL license can be applied only to the > <> > between OpenVista server and FOIA VistA. (Likewise, any modifications > World Vista makes to VistA.) Unfortunately, I don't think that's really feasible. It's rather like t

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-06 Thread JohnLeo Zimmer, MD
Gregory Woodhouse wrote: > > I don't see how it clarifies your reference to the "original > license". VistA is in the public domain in the sense that it may be > obtained though FOIA. That's not the same as being licensed under an > open source license. Indeed, speaking as a non-lawyer, I do

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Tim Churches
Fred Trotter wrote: > Tim, > I suggest you wade through the mess under the blog post entitled > "Medsphere betrays community" on GPLmedicine.org. This is a very complicated > situation and there is little short of understanding everything that will > give clarity. The issue is whether Med

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Fred Trotter wrote: > Tim, > I suggest you wade through the mess under the blog post entitled > "Medsphere betrays community" on GPLmedicine.org. This is a very > complicated > situation and there is little short of understanding everything > that will > give clari

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Fred Trotter
Tim, I suggest you wade through the mess under the blog post entitled "Medsphere betrays community" on GPLmedicine.org. This is a very complicated situation and there is little short of understanding everything that will give clarity. On 3/5/07, Tim Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Fred Trotter
I have outlined what Medsphere needs to do to reconcile with the community here... http://www.gplmedicine.org/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=13 In short they need to 1. Release everything that the originally released under the original licenses 2. Stop suing the Shreeves. Now I wou

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Tim Churches
Fred Trotter wrote: > In short they need to > > 1. Release everything that the originally released under the original > licenses What do you mean by "original licenses"? I thought that the VistA code on which Medsphere's OpenVista products are based was in the public domain, and thus not under an

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Tim Churches
Fred Trotter wrote: > They have taken a step in the right direction, but they are not done. Fred, What else do they need to do, in your opinion? Tim C >> OK, thanks, that makes it much clearer. But is it fair to say that >> Medsphere has now satisfactorily answered the previous fairly vehement

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Fred Trotter
They have taken a step in the right direction, but they are not done. > > OK, thanks, that makes it much clearer. But is it fair to say that > Medsphere has now satisfactorily answered the previous fairly vehement > criticisms on this list that it was not really an open source company? > > Tim C

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Tim Churches
Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > Tim, > > The short answer is WorldVistA has some house cleaning to dothe > website you pointed to is our old Sourceforge hosted site which is > redirected to www.worldvista.org, you can still get to it if you know > the URL or perhaps Google will find it. > > As f

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
Tim, The short answer is WorldVistA has some house cleaning to dothe website you pointed to is our old Sourceforge hosted site which is redirected to www.worldvista.org, you can still get to it if you know the URL or perhaps Google will find it. As for the OpenVistA nameWorldVistA firs

[openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

2007-03-05 Thread Tim Churches
See http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700935 and http://www.medsphere.com/press/20070226b Is that now a correct summation? That's a question, because I am terribly confused by references to OpenVista on the WorldVista web site at http://worldvista.sourceforge.net/o