Re: OpenGL deprecated in OS-X

2018-06-04 Thread John-Val Rose
Unfortunately Apple is doing exactly what Microsoft did during the “Great API Wars”. During this time, MS decided to go with its own exclusive graphics API namely Direct 3D as part of their whole DirectX technology instead of the obvious approach of supporting OpenGL fully. These days, GPU

Re: OpenGL deprecated in OS-X

2018-06-04 Thread Kevin Rushforth
Apple has been making noises about this for a while. I wouldn't expect them to drop OpenGL in the very near future, but it would seem that investigating a Metal pipeline for FX is timely. -- Kevin On 6/4/2018 1:51 PM, Tom Schindl wrote: Hi, I don‘t know what the Apple guys are smoking but

Re: Removal of apps/scenebuilder from OpenJFX repo

2018-06-04 Thread Sverre Moe
Looks like Gluon has moved SceneBuilder from Bitbucket for GitHub. https://github.com/gluonhq/scenebuilder I like this move. GitHub is much better to work with. Den fre. 27. apr. 2018 kl. 13:31 skrev Sverre Moe : > > I would like to hear from Gluon about their work on SceneBuilder. > Do they

OpenGL deprecated in OS-X

2018-06-04 Thread Tom Schindl
Hi, I don‘t know what the Apple guys are smoking but they just deprecated OpenGL. The question is what does this mean for JavaFX. See https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ Tom Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Re: Draft JEP for new Packaging Tool (replacement for javapackager)

2018-06-04 Thread Mario Ivankovits
Hi! I’ve just test with this very small JavaFX Application: public class TstFx extends Application { @Override public void start(Stage primaryStage) throws Exception { Label root = new Label("test"); Scene scene = new Scene(root, 800, 600);

Re: Draft JEP for new Packaging Tool (replacement for javapackager)

2018-06-04 Thread Michael Paus
Maybe I misunderstood the question but to my opinion the real question is whether the new java packager has to provide the support for a splash screen or not. This has nothing to do with the question whether applications should have a splash screen or not because if we find that todays Java is

Re: Draft JEP for new Packaging Tool (replacement for javapackager)

2018-06-04 Thread Scott Palmer
Nobody is arguing against splash screens. I’m simply suggesting that the JVM startup is not slow enough that we need special handling of this in native code. If Java can get a window displayed in under half a second there is no need for the added complexity to support a native splash screen in

Re: Draft JEP for new Packaging Tool (replacement for javapackager)

2018-06-04 Thread Pedro Duque Vieira
Hi, I agree with Johan and others, a splash screen is valuable and needed. Microsoft applications that run on Windows itself (think Word, Excel, etc), they have a splash screen, Intelllij has a splash screen (it's swing based AFAIK), etc.. If a Microsoft application running on its own operating

Re: Draft JEP for new Packaging Tool (replacement for javapackager)

2018-06-04 Thread Johan Vos
The problem is not the Java window, but the dependencies. If that window is created by a class that requires resolving other classes and somehow one of these classes take a long time to initialize, it will be slow. - Johan On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:53 PM Scott Palmer wrote: > If a Java window

Re: Draft JEP for new Packaging Tool (replacement for javapackager)

2018-06-04 Thread Scott Palmer
If a Java window appears in less than half a second there is no point in adding the complexity of a native splash screen. Scott > On Jun 4, 2018, at 5:13 AM, Tom Schindl wrote: > > A splash screen has to be that instant that it IMHO makes no sense to > time how long it takes to get the JVM

Re: Draft JEP for new Packaging Tool (replacement for javapackager)

2018-06-04 Thread Tom Schindl
A splash screen has to be that instant that it IMHO makes no sense to time how long it takes to get the JVM and JavaFX up and running because it can never be as instant as a splash has to show up. Tom On 04.06.18 01:06, Scott Palmer wrote: > Has anyone actually timed how long it takes to get a