[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-22 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersmith at oracle.com wrote: Garrett D'Amore wrote: I really do think that the way this was handled in OpenSolaris -- which occurred without any significant ARC discussion of the concerns surrounding this -- is unfortunate. I am half

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-22 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Jason King jason at ansipunx.net wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:26 PM, johansen at sun.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 04:08:09PM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: I'd rather see us modernize our own tools. I resent abdication of our own engineering, and the

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-22 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Garrett D'Amore gdamore at sun.com wrote: On 03/19/10 08:27 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:13:48 -0700 Garrett D'Amore wrote: I am coming to agree. While I'm the sponsor on this case, I'm on the verge of derailing this case and asking that a

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-22 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Peter Tribble peter.tribble at gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Darren J Moffat darrenm at opensolaris.org wrote: Why would I want to use ksh93 builtins if I have /usr/gnu/bin explicitly in my path ? Are the ksh93 builtin versions 100%

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-22 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Garrett D'Amore gdamore at sun.com wrote: On 03/18/10 09:37 AM, Peter Tribble wrote: I have a couple of opinions about all this, which I'll restate here: 1) In an ideal world, we'd supply (by default) a single implementation of these commands. It seems like

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-19 Thread Glenn Fowler
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:13:48 -0700 Garrett D'Amore wrote: I am coming to agree. While I'm the sponsor on this case, I'm on the verge of derailing this case and asking that a new case to examine userland shell architecture be created. The fact that we have to put /usr/gnu at the head of

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-19 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 03/19/10 08:27 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:13:48 -0700 Garrett D'Amore wrote: I am coming to agree. While I'm the sponsor on this case, I'm on the verge of derailing this case and asking that a new case to examine userland shell architecture be created. The fact

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-18 Thread casper....@sun.com
That said, its possible that the GNU tools will evolve in the future, at a rate differently than the ksh93 versions do. (At that point, the case says that the ksh93 version will either be adapted, or they'll stop supplying the built-in.) And, unfortunately, anyone who wants to deploy a

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-18 Thread Glenn Fowler
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:38:17 -0700 Garrett D'Amore wrote: On 03/18/10 09:28 AM, Casper.Dik at Sun.COM wrote: Architecturally, I have to agree with Darren here. I don't know what the concerns are here where this would fail to operate with the current pfexec... I thought that it was

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-18 Thread casper....@sun.com
the fix to disable builtins for pfksh is only a few lines dgk and I are checking out the code now there is another alternative if we can pfexec bracket sections of code inline I beleieve a message yesterday, about 1000 posts ago:) mentioned this is possible e.g., for the builtin b_mkdir()

[shell-discuss] More ksh93 builtins [PSARC/2010/095 FastTrack timeout 03/25/2010]

2010-03-18 Thread Glenn Fowler
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:51:26 +0100 Casper.Dik at sun.com wrote: the fix to disable builtins for pfksh is only a few lines dgk and I are checking out the code now there is another alternative if we can pfexec bracket sections of code inline I beleieve a message yesterday, about 1000 posts