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2006-09-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Felix Schulte wrote: The project started with the goal to introduce ksh93 without adding any incompatibilities to existing ksh93 versions and you are proposing such a change against the counsel of both the project team and David Korn. The proposal for this project, as originally mailed at the

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2006-09-23 Thread Roland Mainz
Joseph Kowalski wrote: [snip] Hence, we should just rename the libcmd associated with ksh on Solaris. A fork from the reference community (ie: David Korn)? Yes, but an exceptionally minor one. Definately NOT. NEVER. There will not be a rename of libcmd nor a move of it's location (e.g. moving

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2006-09-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Joseph Kowalski Joseph.Kowalski at eng.sun.com wrote: Once again, on Solaris Public can almost be associated 1:1 to has a published man page. I think this is confusing things because David seems to have done the Linux thing of embedding the man page in the executable. That is an

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2006-09-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Joseph Kowalski Joseph.Kowalski at eng.sun.com wrote: . and it would of course be nice to have identical CLI behavior in a find that may be a ksh93 builtin. How do we let this happen? In another ARC case... 8^) That said, given appropriate naming of the components, I don't

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2006-09-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Glenn Fowler gsf at research.att.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:17:42 -1000 (HST) Joseph Kowalski wrote: I think this is confusing things because David seems to have done the Linux thing of embedding the man page in the executable. That is an ^^^ if you are talking about

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2006-09-23 Thread Joseph Kowalski
From: Glenn Fowler gsf at research.att.com ... On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:17:42 -1000 (HST) Joseph Kowalski wrote: I think this is confusing things because David seems to have done the Linux thing of embedding the man page in the executable. That is an ^^^ if you are talking

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2006-09-23 Thread Felix Schulte
On 9/23/06, Joseph Kowalski Joseph.Kowalski at eng.sun.com wrote: From: Roland Mainz roland.mainz at nrubsig.org ... Joseph Kowalski wrote: [snip] Hence, we should just rename the libcmd associated with ksh on Solaris. A fork from the reference community (ie: David Korn)? Yes, but

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2006-09-23 Thread Joseph Kowalski
I wasn't actually talking about options. I just made an off the cuff comment about embedding the man page in the executable. Maybe we should talk about this, because its not Solaris documentation convention, but I doubt it is hard to resolve. Check out getopts() in Solaris. This is the

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2006-09-23 Thread Joseph Kowalski
From: Felix Schulte felix.schulte at gmail.com ... 2) Rename the libcmd delivered by this project to something considerably less generic. Are you completely nuts? Did you read Rolands comments about such an incompatible change? This project would truly be dead if Sun wants to

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2006-09-23 Thread Felix Schulte
On 9/23/06, Joseph Kowalski Joseph.Kowalski at eng.sun.com wrote: From: Felix Schulte felix.schulte at gmail.com ... 2) Rename the libcmd delivered by this project to something considerably less generic. Are you completely nuts? Did you read Rolands comments about such an

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2006-09-23 Thread Joseph Kowalski
From: Felix Schulte felix.schulte at gmail.com ... Would you please elaborate how this would kill the project. The project started with the goal to introduce ksh93 without adding any incompatibilities to existing ksh93 versions and you are proposing such a change against the counsel of both

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2006-09-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Joseph Kowalski Joseph.Kowalski at eng.sun.com wrote: I wasn't actually talking about options. I just made an off the cuff comment about embedding the man page in the executable. Maybe we should talk about this, because its not Solaris documentation convention, but I doubt it is hard to

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2006-09-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Felix Schulte felix.schulte at gmail.com wrote: Yes, I read Rolands comments. I find them without merit *if* the library is Private. If the library is Public, there is a real discussion to be had. Would you please elaborate how this would kill the project. The project started with

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2006-09-23 Thread Glenn Fowler
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:17:23 -1000 (HST) Joseph Kowalski wrote: I wasn't actually talking about options. I just made an off the cuff comment about embedding the man page in the executable. ^^^ in general off the cuff

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2006-09-23 Thread Glenn Fowler
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:40:46 +0200 Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) wrote: Let me add some information that may be of interest in order to prevent confusion: - I believe that the main point may be that may be that ksh itself outputs the long documentation,

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2006-09-22 Thread James Carlson
Roland Mainz writes: PPS.: Note that my understanding of the Sun/Solaris interface taxonomity is a little bit weak. The exact details are described by April in the ARC case and with public I was thinking about that projects within OS/Net (like commands like sleep, pwd, test, expr etc.) can use

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2006-09-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Roland Mainz wrote: P.S.: And yes: I am very very angry about that the libcmd issue comes up again. We had a fully-featured flamewar and a phone conference hosted by Sun with the result that we get the merged libcmd and I am going to add a replacement API to libcmdutils.so.1 and aid all

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2006-09-22 Thread Joseph Kowalski
From: James Carlson james.d.carlson at sun.com ... Roland Mainz writes: PPS.: Note that my understanding of the Sun/Solaris interface taxonomity is a little bit weak. The exact details are described by April in the ARC case and with public I was thinking about that projects within

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2006-09-22 Thread Joseph Kowalski
From: Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) ... There is another important issue to discuss: mkisofs and star (both part of OpenSolaris - mkisofs in reality, star virtually by PSARC 2004/480 but comming in reality in a few weeks) both use my libfind for implementing a

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2006-09-22 Thread Joseph Kowalski
From: Roland Mainz roland.mainz at nrubsig.org ... Joseph Kowalski wrote: [snip] Hence, we should just rename the libcmd associated with ksh on Solaris. A fork from the reference community (ie: David Korn)? Yes, but an exceptionally minor one. Definately NOT. NEVER. There will not

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2006-09-22 Thread Joseph Kowalski
How do I start such an ARC case for depending on libfind? I'm going to take this off-line with Jorg. - jek3