Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Dan Mick
Alan Coopersmith wrote: Dan Mick wrote: 1) I've never heard of /dev/fbs/aperture It's basically an open source version of xsvc included in Xorg for Solaris systems without xsvc (really ancient Solaris x86 or any version of Solaris SPARC).

[osol-discuss] Re: KDE 3.4.1 for Solaris 10 IA32/AMD32 and UltraSPARC Released

2005-07-12 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
This will definitely mark one of the major milestones for OpenSolaris. Now, please excuse me for asking a stupid question. When you mentioned: the IA32 binaries are linked against the nVidia hardware accelerated OpenGL (Solaris nVidia drivers) Do you mean that the vVidia driver is part of the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Sean Sprague
Stefan Teleman wrote: On 7/12/05, Tao Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is ridiculous! So why does Solaris come with JDS/GNOME and GRUB if it is not Linux? i don't know why, after reading this sentence, i suddenly get the urge to reasess a few things in life. Like reconfiguring life's

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Ian Collins
Stefan Teleman wrote: Hi. i have uploaded all the source code patches in the Solaris directory at KDE. the patches are in two formats: - context diff for each file - full modified source file The runConfigure scripts refer to stuff in your home directory. There is a directory,

[osol-discuss] 802 wireless roadmap

2005-07-12 Thread Bob Palowoda
Question: Where does the 802 wireless fit in the OpenSolaris roadmap? ---Bob This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exec /bin/ksh -o vi As we alrerady have discussed before, this is a really bad idea as it may make a system unusable if /usr could not be mounted. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bruce Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exec /bin/ksh -o vi or exec /bin/ksh -o emacs If you remove the exec you are safe. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog:

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm, aperture exists since ~ 1994. The isal binary above is from June 21st 2005 It should be modified to check for /dev/fbs/aperture too. 1) I've never heard of /dev/fbs/aperture 2) xsvc is a hack that should be replaced by a proper /dev/mem 3) sigh.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I've never heard of /dev/fbs/aperture 1a) I don't have one on my x86 system. It's existed since 1994 where, exactly? So get it from ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/ or wait for the next SchilliX release. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's basically an open source version of xsvc included in Xorg for Solaris systems without xsvc (really ancient Solaris x86 or any version of Solaris SPARC).

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Calum Benson
On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 19:47 -1000, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: One of the most exciting aspects of OpenSolaris is that, if you have been following Sun's Blogs, many Sun's developers are triple-booting their Ferrari notebooks with WinXP, Solaris, and Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the hippest Linux

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 7/12/05, Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, no fair! You're making us GNOME guys look bad ;) Nice work on the release - congratulations dude! Thank you!! :-) --Stefan -- Stefan Teleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Glynn Foster
Heya, There is a directory, /opt/fsw4sun/ referenced as well, I'm guessing its freeware stuff built with studio 10. yes this is the big bundle of KDE depencies (also built with SunStudio10) which i am hoping to get rid of and share all the dependencies with the GNOME guys in a more

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread ken mays
--- Stefan Teleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/12/05, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The runConfigure scripts refer to stuff in your home directory. Oh, these sourc'ed files are just very simple env var settings, like: setenv QTDIR /opt/qt-3.3.4-32 or setenv LD_RUN_PATH

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we toss in K3b? I think Kaffeine and K3b are always a nice combo for the DVD multimedia support in KDE. Has k3b been modified to become portable? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread ghee teo
Stefan Teleman wrote: There is a directory, /opt/fsw4sun/ referenced as well, I'm guessing its freeware stuff built with studio 10. yes this is the big bundle of KDE depencies (also built with SunStudio10) which i am hoping to get rid of and share all the dependencies with the GNOME guys

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, This is exactly what i had in mind -- i had promised Jim Grisanzio that i would write up some of my thoughts on this and ran out of time yesterday evening -- and the issue of common dependencies with GNOME -- and actually with GNU/OpenSolaris -- is a major part of it. i would really

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Casper . Dik
Hey, This is exactly what i had in mind -- i had promised Jim Grisanzio that i would write up some of my thoughts on this and ran out of time yesterday evening -- and the issue of common dependencies with GNOME -- and actually with GNU/OpenSolaris -- is a major part of it. i would really

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread ken mays
--- Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we toss in K3b? I think Kaffeine and K3b are always a nice combo for the DVD multimedia support in KDE. Has k3b been modified to become portable? Jörg We need an official DVD backend development

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, This is exactly what i had in mind -- i had promised Jim Grisanzio that i would write up some of my thoughts on this and ran out of time yesterday evening -- and the issue of common dependencies with GNOME -- and actually with

[osol-discuss] Annoying cc bug

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi, I just found an annoying cc bug: If I call cc -xarch=amd64 -fast ... I get a 32 bit binary If I call cc -fast -xarch=amd64 ... I get a 64 bit binary I would expect that the fact that I did specify a -xarch option is suddificent. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread ken mays
--- Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has k3b been modified to become portable? Jörg We need an official DVD backend development environment (something the CAB and everyone else agrees on to 'standardized' DVD multimedia development

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm.. Well I wasn't 'complaining' about Cd-record, just what I ran into while getting K3b compiled and packaged. Again, I said what **version** of CD-record do we use as a backend moving forward. Also, I mentioned lets mark what we think is worth porting as

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not help ud /usr is not mounted in single user emergency mode. /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin and when /usr is not mounted, then there is no /bin/ksh - the bourne shell dies from the exec above. In high end server environments,

[osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Richard Elling
AMD Developer's website is having a poll asking what your development platform is. http://developer.amd.com Though they bias the question by listing Linux as open-source, but not Solaris nor FreeBSD, at least they mention Solaris specifically. Now's your chance to vote. -- richard This

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
What's even more interesting is that Ubuntu is very much aimed at non-technical users, yet developers are flocking to it... if we'd got that balance right with the Java Desktop System, we might still be pushing the Linux version as hard as the Solaris one :/ (We have a plan to redress the balance

Re: [osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Jim Grisanzio wrote: Richard Elling wrote: AMD Developer's website is having a poll asking what your development platform is. http://developer.amd.com Though they bias the question by listing Linux as open-source, but not Solaris nor FreeBSD, at least they mention Solaris specifically.

Re: [osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solaris is doing quite well, I see. Over 25 percent and closing in. We now have 37.9% and are on the top of the list ;-) Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/12/05, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Grisanzio wrote: Solaris is doing quite well, I see. Over 25 percent and closing in. Jim We just blew the doors off Windows. Golden. 37% and rising ... Dennis ps: are we really wrecking the stats or just providing more honest

Re: [osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread John Martinez
On Jul 12, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solaris is doing quite well, I see. Over 25 percent and closing in. We now have 37.9% and are on the top of the list ;-) Is it submitting another vote every time I hit the refresh

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 09:48, Joerg Schilling wrote: outside of /lib (ie nothing in /usr). So my guess would be that simply copying /usr/bin/bash to /sbin would make it ^^ available to you in times of emergency (ie when only / is mounted, perhaps

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 10:48, Joerg Schilling wrote: Having /usr in a separate partition is an officially supported install mode on Solaris. Thus giving the advise to include something like exec /usr/bin/anything into /.profile is a bad advise. I'm pretty sure the original poster did not

Re: [osol-discuss] Possible iowait bug?

2005-07-12 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 14:47, Steve Logue wrote: It appears that all of the I/O time is being mistakenly reported in the sys category instead. no, it's being reported in the idle time. iowait was always a funny name for cpu idle, but there's outstanding disk i/o. it's now reported as zero in

Re: [osol-discuss] 802 wireless roadmap

2005-07-12 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 02:56 am, Bob Palowoda wrote: Question: Where does the 802 wireless fit in the OpenSolaris roadmap? Good question Bob, I'm not sure the answer is known, but it's being worked on. There are people who are looking at getting the wireless drivers that Sun has into the ON

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Dan Mick
Joerg Schilling wrote: Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exec /bin/ksh -o vi As we alrerady have discussed before, this is a really bad idea as it may make a system unusable if /usr could not be mounted. if I can type that command, /usr is mounted, and it works great. When booting from

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Rich Teer
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Sunil wrote: nobody is condemning solaris. We are all discussing what better we can do from useability point of view and make simpler, easier adoption. OK, I misunderstood you. I think what you're talking about is something teh Gentoo guys are working on. what if I

[osol-discuss] Articles

2005-07-12 Thread Jim Grisanzio
I did a little blog pointing to the articles on opensolaris.org: http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris?entry=some_articles_on_opensolaris We'll eventually have to link to these from the front page. There are few more articles written and in review (Solaris on laptops, a 3rd driver article, a kernel

Re: [osol-discuss] Annoying cc bug

2005-07-12 Thread Cyril Plisko
Joerg Schilling wrote: Hi, I just found an annoying cc bug: If I call cc -xarch=amd64 -fast ... I get a 32 bit binary If I call cc -fast -xarch=amd64 ... I get a 64 bit binary I would expect that the fact that I did specify a -xarch option is suddificent. man page has some notes on that -

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I've never heard of /dev/fbs/aperture 1a) I don't have one on my x86 system. It's existed since 1994 where, exactly? So get it from ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/ or wait for the

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:29:05PM -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: That might be nice, but higher on some folks list is to have a legitimate DVD player that folks on Solaris would have to be able to play actual DVD movies. That would be cool if that could happen somehow, even at a price. Why?

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/12/05, Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? By legitimate you must mean 'closed source' and since there are largely functional open source options already it would be far cooler to help finish one of them and offer it as part of OpenSolaris. If functionality, usability,

Re: [osol-discuss] Creating Communities: Request for Enhancement

2005-07-12 Thread Derek Cicero
Jaime Cardoso wrote: Hello People I see several people here talking about the creation of communities (good, good) but, I have a request for the web devs of Opensolaris. Each community discussion forum should have a Sticky thread (a thread always on top with no one but the community leader

Re: [osol-discuss] Articles

2005-07-12 Thread Ben Rockwood
Jim Grisanzio wrote: I did a little blog pointing to the articles on opensolaris.org: http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris?entry=some_articles_on_opensolaris We'll eventually have to link to these from the front page. There are few more articles written and in review (Solaris on laptops, a 3rd

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread ken mays
--- Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 July 2005 07:12 am, ken mays wrote: Nero(Linux) for Solaris? ;o Ken, That might be nice, but higher on some folks list is to have a legitimate DVD player that folks on Solaris would have to be able to play actual DVD movies.

Re: [osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Ben Rockwood
Dennis Clarke wrote: On 7/12/05, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Grisanzio wrote: Solaris is doing quite well, I see. Over 25 percent and closing in. Jim We just blew the doors off Windows. Golden. 37% and rising ... 18.6% Linux 19.3% Windows 58.3%

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread ken mays
So if you like to discuss things, thell us what you are interested in Jörg 1. What are the latest binary versions of CD-Record available for Solaris 8/9/10 (SPARC x86/AMD64)? ;o Ken Mays Sell on Yahoo!

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm all for DVD playback support. Heck, the latest Mplayer and Xine would be nice to see properly supported. We can always add encrypt/decrypt libraries later if its a license issue (or whatever) but let us at least get the applications ported as well as

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you like to discuss things, thell us what you are interested in Jörg 1. What are the latest binary versions of CD-Record available for Solaris 8/9/10 (SPARC x86/AMD64)? The latest binary version for Solaris 8 is 2.01.01a01 For

Re: [osol-discuss] Annoying cc bug

2005-07-12 Thread Ian Collins
Joerg Schilling wrote: Cyril Plisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I call cc -xarch=amd64 -fast ... I get a 32 bit binary If I call cc -fast -xarch=amd64 ... I get a 64 bit binary I would expect that the fact that I did specify a -xarch option is suddificent. man page has some notes

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Gavin Maltby
On 07/12/05 17:48, Joerg Schilling wrote: Gavin Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, an ldd on /usr/bin/bash shows that it requires nothing outside of /lib (ie nothing in /usr). So my guess would be that simply copying /usr/bin/bash to /sbin would make it available to you in times of

[osol-discuss] Re: Graphic card problem

2005-07-12 Thread roland
I check the Logs and found that the error should be the configuration of X-server. But during the installation process, there is no way to config it. Does anyone knows how to config it, and how to start the configuration program for X-server? The display is normal through out the

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/12/05, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Teleman wrote: On 7/12/05, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The runConfigure scripts refer to stuff in your home directory. Oh, these sourc'ed files are just very simple env var settings, like: setenv QTDIR /opt/qt-3.3.4-32 or

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 03:58:37PM -0700, George Jereza wrote: I'm wondering if this a statement of one individual or We're all individuals. Corporate entities don't have fingers or vocal cords because they're not alive. talking about OpenSolaris and not Solaris. Kinda begs an important

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/12/05, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: Blastwave would appear to be a natural home for these packages, either with a unique name or in a new directory. I have the time to build a few. I was thinking in more general terms, is there anything to be

[osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-12 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 7/12/05, Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the obvious questions that come to mind that we probably need to discuss are - o Why aren't these tools already available on Solaris? o Why can't we use the non-GNU equivalent? And if not, why can't we fix those

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Does CD-Record 2.01.01a01/03 provide complete DVD+R Double Layer and DVD-R Dual Layer recording support? NO (as I did write a few hours ago) As I did write some days ago, I had to decide whether to work on SchilliX or on dual layer. 3. Does Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Ross Nelson
It keeps growing :) 16.8% Linux 17.3% Windows® 62.4% Solaris 2.1% FreeBSD (Unix) 2.1% Other ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: AMD developer's survey

2005-07-12 Thread Gerhard S.
It is quite counterproductive. The numbers are so far off reality that every reader will know immediately the vote was rigged. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Danek Duvall
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 04:15:52PM -0700, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: We're all individuals. I'm not. Danek ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-12 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, i was not referring to the GNU auto* tools, or GCC. the auto* tools are mostly scripts (with the exception of libltdl), and they aren't that hard to upgrade or back out. as far as GCC goes, that's a little above my pay grade. it would be very arrogant of me to tell Sun what compiler to

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-12 Thread Dan Price
On Tue 12 Jul 2005 at 03:10PM, Diana Cionoiu wrote: Hello, My name is Diana and i'm a developer for a free software project called Yate ( http://yate.null.ro ). Yate works on GNU/Linux and Windows. The primary development platform is GNU/Linux. Some of our users will like to use Yate on

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-12 Thread Sunil
See pkgmk(1), pkgmap(4), prototype(4), and the Application Packaging Developer's Guide. that is probably a good start. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1 Solaris 10: Source Code Patches

2005-07-12 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 7/12/05, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The runConfigure scripts refer to stuff in your home directory. There is a directory, /opt/fsw4sun/ referenced as well, I'm guessing its freeware stuff built with studio 10. i have uploaded all the build scripts (in the BUILD.TOOLS directory