Ian Murdock wrote:
This is ultimately why I decided the term "usability gap" was unfair.
Usability is relative. Solaris doesn't seem usable to someone who's been
using Linux for the last 10 years. But then again, I suspect Linux
doesn't
seem usable to someone who's been using Solaris for the la
UNIX admin wrote:
As for a "better shell experience", my stomach turns when I see people
executing `bash`. It's disgusting. `tcsh` is light years ahead in user friendliness and
features as compared to `bash`, but rest assured, every user that I saw execute `bash`
did so because THEY HAD NO CLU
I think the problem is with the approach. Instead of saying "Make
Solaris Linux Like" it should have been, "Focus on User Experience." A
good user experience should be the focus, not to make one OS "just
like another." Honestly, if you make Solaris just like Linux, then it
becomes "yet another L
David Lloyd wrote:
Guavan.
You know what, I totally disagree with this move: Don't make Solaris
Linux like, BUT teach us Linux guys the Solaris way. As I read here
again and again the "POSIX way" - what ever that means, at least I
don't know, and I am sure many "young"(as in age and as in n
Dick Davies wrote:
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b63/on-changelog-b63.html
?
That works! Is there a link to that somewhere or is this an insider's tip?
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doesn't appear to produce any results. Where should I be looking?
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lloy0076 wrote:
This discussion seems to be spinning around in circles. There is a lot
of benefit to an "apt" like packaging system but clearly a good number
of organisations and individuals have gotten by with Solaris without
such a packaging system.
That is neither wrong, nor right. It just
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 17/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That is not my problem. I would not bother about this
if I was more than happy to drop in a DVD or a bunch
of CDs to 'upgrade' each box
Except you don't even have to do that. All you need is an ISO image,
n
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 17/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you. the concept of apt/yum repositories seems
to be very alien here.
No, it is not. You just have a hard time believing that we don't
embrace it as the "one true way" of doing things. I think the poi
Shawn Walker wrote:
Sun Connection is very easy to use to manage updates and is all you're
likely to need in a *production* environment. So I don't understand
your compliant. Given that you have never indicated actual usage of
it, I think it is unfair for you to be critical of it.
Upgrades are e
a b wrote:
1. Documentation is a major pain in the ass to find. Outside of man
pages and the occasional Sun engineer blog entry, there seems to be
no decent documentation. In fact, most people admit that the "Solaris
10" books that are currently out, are simply Solaris 9 books with a
new cover
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote:
PXE, Anaconda and JumpStart are just parts and
pieces of the puzzle.
My point is, in an environment like that, one would
*never* run `apt-get` or
`yum update`. That would be ad-hoc. It would take
all the stability and
reliability out of that environment.
I'm s
UNIX admin wrote:
The problem here is not that Solaris can't deliver or doesn't have the
functionality Linux has. Oh, it has the functionality and then some! In fact,
it had this advanced functionality for years and years and years.
The real problem is, people just don't want to sit down, warm
Now, onto packaging (and this is gonna sound a lot like emerge on
gentoo, I like it!), I'd like to see something that by default has
generic binaries that are compiled in the normal manner. However,
there are times that I'd like to select specific "features" of the
binaries. In gentoo these a
MC wrote:
"Ian Murdock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
isn't true at all, but many potential users will
never get past
"When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done
that since 1995!"
This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did
publish Schillix,
the first Op
Manoj Joseph wrote:
Thomas Rampelberg wrote:
userland for me is the gnu toolchain. Time after time, I've tried to
run a normal linux app on solaris and hit a major wall, having to
change a makefile, code itself normally, it's such a pain that I
give up and go back to linux wh
I think you make a valid point about about tracking Debian unstable, or
from my experience with Gentoo, just going along with the latest portage
tree and evolving the system. Having a set package version to a set OS
version is very comforting in the enterprise. It enables me to point at
a syste
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote:
Its a question of preference. Solaris is a far
superior OS in the
kernel etc. Userland it just isn't. Nexenta is a
really nice bridge
between the two. Frankly, if you need to get hot
around the collar
about this issue its alright.
What is so great about g
I agree completely. Using /etc/opt/apache2 is confusing and seems overly
complicated to me personally. If we assume that the whole concept behind
the web stack project is ease of use, I think that the whole point is
being missed by adding this much complication to it.
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 2
Not sure if the list has seen this before or not, but I found it very
insightful and though some others would benefit from it. Happens to be a
very even handed look into the benefits behind both OSes. (Beware, it's
long and filled full of all kinds of goodies)
http://www.softpanorama.org/Artic
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