Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-25 Thread Brian Utterback
Dr. Robert Pasken wrote: > And Indiana is pushing me away from Solaris. If I wanted the poorly thought > out and unstable crap that comes the linux mindset I would just go with > linux. I am looking for something that is well thought out and stable > Simple enough, ignore Indiana. Use Solaris 1

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-25 Thread Shawn Walker
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Dr. Robert Pasken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And Indiana is pushing me away from Solaris. If I wanted the poorly thought > out and unstable crap that comes the linux mindset I would just go with > linux. I am looking for something that is well thought out and st

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-25 Thread Dr. Robert Pasken
And Indiana is pushing me away from Solaris. If I wanted the poorly thought out and unstable crap that comes the linux mindset I would just go with linux. I am looking for something that is well thought out and stable This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-17 Thread Uwe Dippel
[i]Maybe because it costs Sun too much money to maintain multiple release preview trains?[/i] Maybe, maybe, maybe. Probably. Still, as member of a target audience (so I understand), to me the money seems - another time - not wisely spent. Having been on Linux since early RedHat, later on Debian,

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Dave Miner wrote: > > > Andrew Watkins wrote: > > > >> The preview is absolutely an experiment. Indiana itself is an > > > >> experi

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Peter Tribble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love the experimentation. Heaven only knows we need it. My > concern here is that Indiana is trying to be (or is seen to be, or > is being marketed as) several different things at once and, apart > from the confusion that results, it could end up in a

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-15 Thread Shawn Walker
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Dave Miner wrote: > > Andrew Watkins wrote: > > >> The preview is absolutely an experiment. Indiana itself is an > > >> experiment. OpenSolaris? Well, I don't know what to call

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-15 Thread Ceri Davies
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Dave Miner wrote: > Andrew Watkins wrote: > >> The preview is absolutely an experiment. Indiana itself is an > >> experiment. OpenSolaris? Well, I don't know what to call it ;-) > > > > I see Indiana is an experiment well I think it is more than that!

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-15 Thread Peter Tribble
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The preview is absolutely an experiment. Indiana itself is an > experiment. OpenSolaris? Well, I don't know what to call it ;-) I realize from that answer that my question was ill-formed. It's clear that there is some

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-15 Thread Dave Miner
Andrew Watkins wrote: >> The preview is absolutely an experiment. Indiana itself is an >> experiment. OpenSolaris? Well, I don't know what to call it ;-) > > I see Indiana is an experiment well I think it is more than that! > Eventually, we expect it will be more, that's what Larry is saying

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-15 Thread Shawn Walker
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Andrew Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The preview is absolutely an experiment. Indiana itself is an > > experiment. OpenSolaris? Well, I don't know what to call it ;-) > > I see Indiana is an experiment well I think it is more than that! Marketing a

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-15 Thread Andrew Watkins
> The preview is absolutely an experiment. Indiana itself is an > experiment. OpenSolaris? Well, I don't know what to call it ;-) I see Indiana is an experiment well I think it is more than that! From: Net Talks Webcast Details: "Sorting Out Solaris Releases" http://nettalk.sun.com/bhive/t/

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-14 Thread Dave Miner
Joerg Schilling wrote: > Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The old shell is now: /usr/has/bin/sh >>> Well, then Sun seems to start an incompatible fork from OpenSolaris. >>> >> Sigh. We have made no statements about compatibility with anything, >> either past or future, in the pr

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-14 Thread Lurie
So what are you basically saying is that: Solaris should keep /bin/sh for as long as it stands even if a more stable/more flexible/better designed/ exists just because there may be old customers without renewed support (I'm sure customers with support would have their scripts fixed in no time) w

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> The old shell is now: > > >> /usr/has/bin/sh > > > > > > Well, then Sun seems to start an incompatible fork from OpenSolaris. > > > > > > > > Sigh. We have made no sta

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The old shell is now: > >> /usr/has/bin/sh > > > > Well, then Sun seems to start an incompatible fork from OpenSolaris. > > > > Sigh. We have made no statements about compatibility with anything, > either past or future, in the preview releases. It's

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-13 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Shawn Walker wrote: > /usr/has/bin/sh > > ...since it is a "hasbin" :) Groan! -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OGB member CEO, My Online Home Inventory URLs: http://www.rite-group.com/rich http://www.linkedin.com/in/richteer http://www.myonlinehomeinventory.

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-13 Thread Dave Miner
Peter Tribble wrote: > On Feb 13, 2008 8:44 PM, Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sigh. We have made no statements about compatibility with anything, >> either past or future, in the preview releases. It's an experiment. >> The negativity some of you have towards experiments just amazes me

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-13 Thread Peter Tribble
On Feb 13, 2008 8:44 PM, Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sigh. We have made no statements about compatibility with anything, > either past or future, in the preview releases. It's an experiment. > The negativity some of you have towards experiments just amazes me > sometimes. But what'

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-13 Thread Dave Miner
Joerg Schilling wrote: > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Feb 13, 2008 11:10 AM, Joerg Schilling >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> o ksh93 is the default *system* shell (bash remains the default user shell) >>> What do

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 13, 2008 11:10 AM, Joerg Schilling > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >o ksh93 is the default *system* shell (bash remains the default > > > user shell) > > > > What do you understand by "*sys

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-13 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 13, 2008 11:10 AM, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >o ksh93 is the default *system* shell (bash remains the default > > user shell) > > What do you understand by "*system* shell"? /sbin/sh, /usr/bin/sh are now really ksh93.

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >o ksh93 is the default *system* shell (bash remains the default > user shell) What do you understand by "*system* shell"? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni)