Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-05 Thread Stephen Lau
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > You people are accusing "Whoever those person or persons may be" of being a > dictator, but you don't have any problem being one when "you" are on the > driver's seat. > Who is you? If you're talking to James - then well... um.. yeah. He is an OGB member. > Have you

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-05 Thread James Carlson
W. Wayne Liauh writes: > You people are accusing "Whoever those person or persons may be" of being a > dictator, but you don't have any problem being one when "you" are on the > driver's seat. "You people?" At a guess, that's a reference to the OGB members. Or perhaps the people opposed to exc

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-03 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> > > >More than 75% of the technical questions I posted > don't get answered. Until this situation is imp > roved, I don't think this is the kind of credible > "community" that many of us have in mind. A poli > tical community, perhaps, but not a "community" > community IMHO. > > > IIRC, you

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-03 Thread Casper . Dik
>More than 75% of the technical questions I posted don't get answered. Until >this situation is imp roved, I don't think this is the kind of credible "community" that many of us have in mind. A poli tical community, perhaps, but not a "community" community IMHO. IIRC, your questions are mai

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-03 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> > would be more credible > > > We are not credible? > > > Jim > -- > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org To me, someone with an almost-two-and-half-year "membership", this

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-03 Thread Jim Grisanzio
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > You people are accusing "Whoever those person or persons may be" of being a > dictator, but you don't have any problem being one when "you" are on the > driver's seat. > > Have you ever consulted (or even thought about) the opinions of little people > like me and a bunc

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-03 Thread MC
> I want to echo Mr. Murdock's sentiment: I really can't understand why the big > fuss is > about. Linus writes no more than 5% of the Linux kernel, but, like > it or not, he has > (at least used to have) absolute control over the release > of and everything there is > to do with Linux. If that

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-03 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> Until that time, we ask that Sun require that > references to Indiana > discontinue using the name "OpenSolaris Developer > Preview," > "OpenSolaris binary distribution," or any other name > implying > exclusive endorsement of the OpenSolaris Community. > > 1. Whoever those person or person

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Octave Orgeron
Hi Everyone, I've been trying to read through my email today and trying to sift through the apparent mess we're now in. Project Indiana has its place in the community and we will all be able to benefit from it as time passes. However, I do agree that the way in which it has been labeled and pre

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 01:00:46PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > > > >> I'll counter with this amendment that I believe makes the requirement > >> clear by citing the specific terms used on the web site: > >> > >> Until that time, we ask that S

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Casper . Dik
>On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 01:00:46PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > >> I'll counter with this amendment that I believe makes the requirement >> clear by citing the specific terms used on the web site: >> >> Until that time, we ask that Sun require that references to Indiana >> discontinue using

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread James Carlson
Keith M Wesolowski writes: > On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 01:00:46PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > > > I'll counter with this amendment that I believe makes the requirement > > clear by citing the specific terms used on the web site: > > > > Until that time, we ask that Sun require that references t

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 01:00:46PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > I'll counter with this amendment that I believe makes the requirement > clear by citing the specific terms used on the web site: > > Until that time, we ask that Sun require that references to Indiana > discontinue using the nam

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread James Carlson
Shawn Walker writes: > It could be, however, "Project Indiana, an OpenSolaris-based community > distribution" which is the same way Belenix, et al. are sometimes > described. Anything that makes it clear that this distribution does not *yet* lay proper claim to being the one-and-only OpenSolaris d

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Casper . Dik
>Besides, I could argue almost the same thing with Sun's "Solaris >Express Community Release". You're making a release of the Solaris >Express community? What? I have trouble reading "community" as anything other than 'for the community'; not by the community. (That is, possibly, because communi

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 12:17:13PM -0400, Brandorr wrote: > There have been some drastic options put on the table, as the OGB does > not have much recourse, unless Sun steps up to the plate. I'd like to downplay the likelihood that anything drastic will happen. While our options for directly addr

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Shawn Walker
On 02/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >It could be, however, "Project Indiana, an OpenSolaris-based community > >distribution" which is the same way Belenix, et al. are sometimes > >described. > > > >Am I correct? > > > >Obviously you may not agree with the community par

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Casper . Dik
>It could be, however, "Project Indiana, an OpenSolaris-based community >distribution" which is the same way Belenix, et al. are sometimes >described. > >Am I correct? > >Obviously you may not agree with the community part but that is your >personal viewpoint. The word community doesn't make se

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:40:10AM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote: > It could be, however, "Project Indiana, an OpenSolaris-based community > distribution" which is the same way Belenix, et al. are sometimes > described. > > Am I correct? At the present time, this is the intent of my proposal (so yes

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Garrett D'Amore
Shawn Walker wrote: > On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In my opinion I would say that anything less than complete removal of >> all OpenSolaris branding on Indiana by the end of today, can be >> considered a failure, as each extra day that it is there on the >> website onl