Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Mick wrote: > > > and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. > > BTW, examining the source for aperture, it looks very much like programs > designed to use /dev/xsvc (like the afore-argued-about iasl) would work > fine if /

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-20 Thread Dan Mick
Dan Mick wrote: and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. BTW, examining the source for aperture, it looks very much like programs designed to use /dev/xsvc (like the afore-argued-about iasl) would work fine if /dev/xsvc were a link to /dev/fbs/aperture. I Ha

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. Good news Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: ht

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:01:09AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > > No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the > > > whole Sun-Solaris. > > > > Then it is currently impossible to be binary compatible with it. > > That

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Dan Mick
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:01:09AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the whole Sun-Solaris. Then it is currently impossible to be binary compatible with it. That should not be true, as concerns public

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:01:09AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the > > whole Sun-Solaris. > > Then it is currently impossible to be binary compatible with it. That should not be true, as concerns public interfaces. What you

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That is, if someone develops an application for "Sun's Nevada release", > > > *should* we expect it to, at a binary compatable level, just run > > > correctly on any other OpenSolaris-based distro? > > > > You cannot :-( > > Don't you mean: until Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: > John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? > > > > That is, if someone develops an application f

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? > > That is, if someone develops an application for "Sun's Nevada release", > *should* we expect it to,

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/15/05, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because these forums are surely being read by many (probably thousands) > > of people who are far less familiar with Solaris/OpenSolaris than the > > people who post here, I'd like to strongly caut

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-17 Thread Eric Boutilier
Joerg Schilling wrote: > Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But I think we can minimize the problem by doing (at least start > > planning) an base reference distro ASAP... > We cannot cover the whole Sun Solaris as Sun Solaris includes things that > may never become OpenSource. Of

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But I think we can minimize the problem by doing (at least start > > > planning) an base reference distro ASAP. > > > > If we like to talk about a referen

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/16/05, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But I think we can minimize the problem by doing (at least start > > > planning) an base reference distro ASAP. > > > > If we like to talk abou

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But I think we can minimize the problem by doing (at least start > > planning) an base reference distro ASAP. > > If we like to talk about a reference distro, we first need to talk about > the extent it sh

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > > ... > > P.S. I assume that Nevada is the name for the new version of the Solaris O/N > > consolidation and not a name for the whole Sun-Solaris. > > No, Nevada is the engineering name for the developmen

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: P.S. I assume that Nevada is the name for the new version of the Solaris O/N consolidation and not a name for the whole Sun-Solaris. Nope, it's the code name for the next release of the entire Solaris WOS, including all the consolidations. -- -Alan Coopersmith-

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > ... > P.S. I assume that Nevada is the name for the new version of the Solaris O/N > consolidation and not a name for the whole Sun-Solaris. No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the whole Sun-Solaris. Eric __

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But I think we can minimize the problem by doing (at least start > planning) an base reference distro ASAP. If we like to talk about a reference distro, we first need to talk about the extent it should cover. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) J

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Scott Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I strongly suspect that binary compatibility is something which > certain distributions are going to lose. In fact, so far we seem to > be running zero from one as far as binary compability - the one and > only non-Sun distribution (deliberately) breaks bi

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 7/16/05, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Scott Howard wrote: > > > Unless every kernel/library change in every distro goes through an > > > ARC-style approval then, in some cases deliverately and others accidently, > >

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/16/05, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Scott Howard wrote: > > Unless every kernel/library change in every distro goes through an > > ARC-style approval then, in some cases deliverately and others accidently, > > we're eventually going to end up with an interfa

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-16 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Scott Howard wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 11:31:12AM -0700, John Plocher wrote: > > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? > > There is some mention of this at

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-15 Thread Scott Howard
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 11:31:12AM -0700, John Plocher wrote: > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? There is some mention of this at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/trademark

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-15 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, John Plocher wrote: > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? When Solaris and Solaris Express can fairly be be called OpenSolaris based distros, then yes. But righ

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-15 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/15/05, John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? > > That is, if someone develops an application for "Sun's Nevada release", > *should* we

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-15 Thread John Plocher
Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? That is, if someone develops an application for "Sun's Nevada release", *should* we expect it to, at a binary compatable level, just run correctly

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-15 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/15/05, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because these forums are surely being read by many (probably thousands) > of people who are far less familiar with Solaris/OpenSolaris than the > people who post here, I'd like to strongly caution people about the use > of the phrase "on OpenS

[osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-15 Thread Eric Boutilier
Because these forums are surely being read by many (probably thousands) of people who are far less familiar with Solaris/OpenSolaris than the people who post here, I'd like to strongly caution people about the use of the phrase "on OpenSolaris" -- especially saying something resides or runs "on Ope