Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Gary D
Alasdair wrote: The alternative is in progress. Would that be illumos gate or open indiana? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread john kroll
Would that be illumos gate or open indiana? ig + oi = on ?? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gary D gdri...@gmail.com wrote: Alasdair wrote: The alternative is in progress. Would that be illumos gate or open indiana? I am not sure what you expect. Last night, I booted a Schillix-0.71i alpha (an Illumos based version of SchillIX 0.7.1) SchilliX is the first distro that boots a

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread ken mays
The various developers are pushing ON_147+ testing, which is the last ON release tagged. You either will find these public releases: 1. ON_147 2. ON_147+ (current (about 12 putbacks from ON_148)) 3. ON_147+ (current, with Illumos patching). Schillix 0.7.1 is the only public OpenSolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Gary Driggs
On Sep 2, 2010, at 4:07 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: I am not sure what you expect. Less cloak dagger bullshit. Either you're working on an _open_ source project or you're working on a top secret, fully buzzword compliant project that may or may not be based on Illumos, Solaris, SunOS, BSD4,

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
john kroll wrote: Would that be illumos gate or open indiana? ig + oi = on ?? illumos is roughly equivalent to ON by itself. An OpenIndiana distro would have to add the other 80% of the OpenSolaris distro that comes from outside ON/illumos - SFW, X, JDS, etc. --

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Kyle McDonald
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/2/2010 10:41 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: illumos is roughly equivalent to ON by itself. An OpenIndiana distro would have to add the other 80% of the OpenSolaris distro that comes from outside ON/illumos - SFW, X, JDS, etc. Hi Alan,

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kyle McDonald wrote: On 9/2/2010 10:41 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: illumos is roughly equivalent to ON by itself. An OpenIndiana distro would have to add the other 80% of the OpenSolaris distro that comes from outside ON/illumos - SFW, X, JDS, etc. Hi Alan, Where can I find a

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Kyle McDonald
The people working with Alasdair already made this list, but if you're trying to independently recreate it, you can get a list of included consolidation incorporations by doing: pkg contents -t depend -a type=incorporate -o fmri -r entire You could run a similar command on each of those

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kyle McDonald wrote: The people working with Alasdair already made this list, but if you're trying to independently recreate it, you can get a list of included consolidation incorporations by doing: pkg contents -t depend -a type=incorporate -o fmri -r entire You could run a similar

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-01 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 31 Aug 2010, at 11:01, Stefan Mueller-Wilken wrote: Well, and finally here's my original problem boiled down to two sentences: a) You (or at least I) don't really want a Linux distribution with a Solaris kernel b) There... is... no... Illumos... distribution! There never will be one,

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-01 Thread valrh...@gmail.com
Alasdair: for those of us interested, what is the best way to reach you? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-09-01 Thread Michael
he said: I suggest you mail me since his email address was in the header: alasdai...@gmail.com that's what I think he intended you to use. HTH -- regards/mfg Michael Schuster ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-31 Thread john kroll
I think we all should put our foot down and support illumos I couldn't find an install cd but I guess here's the project build - http://trochejen.blogspot.com/2010/08/illumos-building-instructions.html - -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-31 Thread Stefan Mueller-Wilken
I think we all should put our foot down and support illumos I couldn't find an install cd but I guess here's the project build - http://trochejen.blogspot.com/2010/08/illumos-building -instructions.html - Well, and finally here's my original problem boiled down to two sentences: a) You

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-31 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Ian Collins) wrote: On 08/31/10 03:52 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Right, but in all cases, Oracle never really announced stuff so much in advance as Sun did... So, that's a change in external behaviour, but not necessarily an indication of a different underlying attitude towards the

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-31 Thread Ivan Wang
I think we all should put our foot down and support illumos I couldn't find an install cd but I guess here's the project build - http://trochejen.blogspot.com/2010/08/illumos-building -instructions.html - Well, and finally here's my original problem boiled down to two

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-31 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] on the other hand, I also wonder how update/patch will be handled with Solaris 11 Express program since it will probably employ a longer release period than Indiana, will there be a repo for security related patches? I am not worried about Oracle being able to come up support scheme

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi Stefan, now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible from the 'official' Solaris world while still being open

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Constantin Gonzalez) wrote: Hi Stefan, now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible from the 'official'

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Stefan Müller-Wilken
Hi Constantin, is there any channel you don't monitor these days? When do you actually sleep? :-) now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi Stefan, disclaimerI'm an Oracle employee, everything I say here is my personal opinion though, I'm not speaking for my company./disclaimer is there any channel you don't monitor these days? When do you actually sleep? :-) I have a degree from Sun in high volume email scanning :). Well,

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Stefan Müller-Wilken) wrote: Hi Constantin, is there any channel you don't monitor these days? When do you actually sleep? :-) He has young kids... ;-) now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Constantin Gonzalez constantin.gonza...@oracle.com wrote: Nobody from Oracle said Solaris 11 won't be open source, so that should satisfy all of your requirements above. What I definitely do not want is the Solaris kernel under the hood of a Linux distribution. *yuck* No need for that.

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread ken mays
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: From: Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it? To: stefan.mueller-wil...@acando.de, opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, constantin.gonza

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Ian Collins
On 08/31/10 03:52 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Right, but in all cases, Oracle never really announced stuff so much in advance as Sun did... So, that's a change in external behaviour, but not necessarily an indication of a different underlying attitude towards the product Solaris itself...

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-30 Thread Edward Martinez
Oracle mentioned they are providing a supported Solaris Express in place of the OSOL binaries of the past. The kernel sources are very recent to gain a 'like Solaris 11' experience today. ~ Ken Well...they have a tendency of mentioning stuff and falling short from delivering. does

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-29 Thread Stefan Mueller-Wilken
There's a lot more in common in the userland than you might think. Well, the problem is not so much the large amount of things that _are_ in common, it's the small number things that are not. I've been using Linux distributions 1994, half of my household - including TV settop box (LinVDR) and

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-29 Thread Edward Martinez
On 8/28/2010 4:24 PM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: There's also a community distro in the works, stay tuned. Is this the Illumos project? Dmitry. Not specifically. IllumOS will provide a core set, basically what was ON. It's bootable already, with the inclusion of some closed

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-29 Thread john kroll
the real thing (TM) project ?? +1 Unfortunately, Oracle might not like the either or'ness of it . and never have to wonder if this is still internal development use or already commercial ?? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-29 Thread Albert Lee
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote: just a thought, devs with the proper skills could use opensolaris snv_134 OS, replace  the  the  non free packages with free packages from illumos and strip all of opensolaris trade marks and replace them with an

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-29 Thread Edward Martinez
There is something to this effect in progress - stay tuned for an announcement. GSoC is a great idea to pursue next year. -Albert ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org all goodie... I thought my opensolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-29 Thread Erik Trimble
On 8/29/2010 3:11 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: There is something to this effect in progress - stay tuned for an announcement. GSoC is a great idea to pursue next year. -Albert ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-29 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 30 Aug 2010, at 03:51, Erik Trimble wrote: Open development of code by non-Oracle folks is effectively completely dead for OpenSolaris. Only for onnv so far. SFW/JDS/PKG/etc are still being developed in the open. And some community people still have commit access I think? So not

[osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-28 Thread Stefan Mueller-Wilken
Dear all, now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible from the 'official' Solaris world while still being open

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-28 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 28 Aug 2010, at 20:51, Stefan Mueller-Wilken wrote: Dear all, now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-28 Thread Albert Lee
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Stefan Mueller-Wilken stefan.mueller-wil...@acando.de wrote: Dear all, now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e.

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-28 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
There's also a community distro in the works, stay tuned. Is this the Illumos project? Dmitry. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?

2010-08-28 Thread Erik Trimble
On 8/28/2010 4:24 PM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: There's also a community distro in the works, stay tuned. Is this the Illumos project? Dmitry. Not specifically. IllumOS will provide a core set, basically what was ON. It's bootable already, with the inclusion of some closed binary plugs.