[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
most other people use a email client that breaks lines automaticly making the best use of a gui interface. I think I have subscribed to the email list, but instead of getting the posted messages, I have been receiving a bunch of emails that read like this: --- You are watching the forum

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Anyway, as I mentioned to you in a separate email, the way this forum is set up really does not speak well for whatever community it intends to represent. Agreed. Derek and the rest of the group, can we scrap the forums (or maybe make them R/O) and

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
People who use a Browser to write mail need to set up the editing window to be wide enough (e.g. 130 chars) and then manually insert line breacks. Jörg The problem with manually inserting line breaks is that, after you go back to edit your message, the entire paragraph will usually get totally

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 02:07:29PM -0400, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: Anyway, as I mentioned to you in a separate email, the way this forum is set up really does not speak well for whatever community it intends to represent. Agreed. Derek and the rest of the group, can we scrap the forums (or

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 02:07:29PM -0400, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: Or, as I said before, let us set a news server for opensolaris.org groups. What are the objections to gmane? Gmane is fine, but I think it is set as R/O i.e. you can't post

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-31 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Openoffice.org already provides a pretty decent (and current) port. Why reinvent the wheel? Almost all the Linux distros have their own OOo packages. But, wait. How many Linux distros are there competiting against each other? Perhaps this is one of the biggest differences between Solaris and

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
exec /bin/ksh -o vi As we alrerady have discussed before, this is a really bad idea as it may make a system unusable if /usr could not be mounted. Technically speaking: yes, agreed. However, nowdays there is no need to carve up the disk into separate FileSystems; it's not an efficient

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
I hope you don't do it by putting something like: exec ksh into .profile like many people do. This would make your system unusable in single user mode when /usr has not yet been mounted See my post above. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of GNU tar is compliance problems. I recommend to avoid GNU tar whereever possible. You cannot replace /usr/bin/tar with a program that does not implement the features os

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Jake Hamby
Danek Duvall wrote: I vote for changing the default shell to a better one. Ah, but then the question is, which one. You might choose ksh over bash for various reasons, others might prefer tcsh, and some of us know that zsh is the One True Shell. If nothing else, the bourne shell is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 03:26:17PM -0700, Jake Hamby wrote: are enabled). While you may argue that Linux developers are at fault for using bash-specific features in their scripts, it's like I wouldn't argue it, because it's a fact. It's fine for Linux to assume GNU features in /bin/sh. It's

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of GNU tar is compliance problems. I recommend to avoid GNU tar whereever possible. You cannot replace /usr/bin/tar with a program that does not implement the features os /usr/bin/tar without creating hard to track down

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/14/05, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of GNU tar is compliance problems. I recommend to avoid GNU tar whereever possible. You cannot replace /usr/bin/tar with a program that does not implement the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-13 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, George Jereza wrote: How to measure openness? What about like look, but no touch! Or if you must touch, go ahead ... NO, NOT THERE!! :-) :-) Although I must say, when it comes to the development of _Sun_ Solaris, characterizing the process that way (NO, NOT THERE!!)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-13 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Eric Boutilier wrote: ... Although I must say, when it comes to the development of _Sun_ Solaris, characterizing the process that way (NO, NOT THERE!!) actually isn't all that far from reality... I guess I should also add (in case it's not obvious)... I of course think

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Sean Sprague
Stefan Teleman wrote: On 7/12/05, Tao Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is ridiculous! So why does Solaris come with JDS/GNOME and GRUB if it is not Linux? i don't know why, after reading this sentence, i suddenly get the urge to reasess a few things in life. Like reconfiguring life's

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 03:58:37PM -0700, George Jereza wrote: I'm wondering if this a statement of one individual or We're all individuals. Corporate entities don't have fingers or vocal cords because they're not alive. talking about OpenSolaris and not Solaris. Kinda begs an important

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-12 Thread Danek Duvall
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 04:15:52PM -0700, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: We're all individuals. I'm not. Danek ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-08 Thread Joe Halpin
Sunil wrote: The operating system on your thousands of Linux boxes have never had to worry about satisfying the needs of millions of customers while retaining backwards compatibility. It is a certainty that if SUN decided to change the default shell that at least some of their customers (if not

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Sunil
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilitie s/sh.html this doc says 'set -o vi' should set vi command line editing mode. As far as I remember, 'set -o vi' only works in ksh. So, how is /bin/sh compiliant to this standard? This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/7/05, Gerhard S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you please quote the part of POSIX that forbids having working cursor keys in a shell? Hint: You won't find it. There isn't any. I never said that it did. But, it does require certain actions all the way down to how the cursor behaves when in

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Sunil
The operating system on your thousands of Linux boxes have never had to worry about satisfying the needs of millions of customers while retaining backwards compatibility. It is a certainty that if SUN decided to change the default shell that at least some of their customers (if not many)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/7/05, Sunil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can you please list one such incompatibility? Shell wise? Not specifically. But I can list a few of *many* issues that I've had over the years when upgrading to newer Linux distributions: * glibc ABI changes breaking my binaries (I won't even talk about