Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-03 Thread Chad Welsh
waynel - I think you should lay off the man you are talking to. He is not the original post creator, I am so if you have a beef then bring it to me and if you have a problem with the word ass then you need to get some help from someplace other than here. -- This message posted from

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-03 Thread Anon Y Mous
waynel - I think you should lay off the man you are talking to. He is not the original post creator, I am so if you have a beef then bring it to me and if you have a problem with the word *** then you need to get some help from someplace other than here. @bsdnix Since we have your

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-03 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
Shawn Walker schrieb: Chad Welsh wrote: I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those that have and that

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-03 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
Chad Welsh wrote: I guess this is not enough information? Chad Welsh wrote: I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? While reading this thread, I downloaded and installed some 267MB packages from

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-01 Thread Shawn Walker
Anon Y Mous wrote: Is anybody interested in tacking a crack at re-writing IPS in the C programming language if that would make it run faster? I'm amused that you think that re-writing IPS in the C language would make it run that much faster. You're aware that core parts of IPS are already

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I'm amused that you think that re-writing IPS in the C language would make it run that much faster. snip Cheers, -- Shawn Walker Hi Shawn, You are, of course, a very respectable member of this forum (an understatement), but please refrain from using languages that may cause

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-01 Thread Brian Cameron
Is expressing amusement language that causes resentment? Or is the bad language you are talking about the reference to A$$ in the subject line? Has our forum come to this? Brian W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I'm amused that you think that re-writing IPS in the C language would make it run that

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Is expressing amusement language that causes resentment? Or is the bad language you are talking about the reference to A$$ in the subject line? Has our forum come to this? Brian I believe you have answered your own question. (thus then why bothered to ask?) -- This message

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-01 Thread Che Kristo
I am all for calling out bad language when its used but I am failing to see your point here. As for the C question, it has been discussed already in the IPS mailing list, as already mentioned performance critical portions are written in C at this stage. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 05:22, W. Wayne

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-30 Thread Anon Y Mous
Is anybody interested in tacking a crack at re-writing IPS in the C programming language if that would make it run faster? Maybe it might be useful add an optional choice where local OpenSolaris user's groups could use an algorithm similar to bit-torrent to accelerate the downloading of

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Chad Welsh
I guess this is not enough information? Chad Welsh wrote: I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Shawn Walker
Chad Welsh wrote: I guess this is not enough information? Chad Welsh wrote: I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? No. -- Shawn Walker ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Chad Welsh
And why not? it asks specifically Opensloaris 1002 b127 I don't think you can get any clearer than that.! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Che Kristo
I was getting at the fact that *you* are more than welcome to raise these issues *yourself*, by becoming constructively involved in the community you will find that you can have your concerns and opinions heard. Being abrupt and rude is almost a guarantee that no one will listen to you. And yes,

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Sean Sprague
Stephen, hope that you are very well. [OT] We have seen some ISPs that blacklist occasional specific packets. Can we either kick these ISP's up the ass for being crap, or identify what packets they are refusing (eg. JPEG signatures?) and obfuscate the offensive packets? Whatever,

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Orvar Korvar
I think you have a problem with your install. IPS works good. I have no complaints, and neither other people on other Solaris forums I hang around. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Guruprasad
Hi, On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Orvar Korvar knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you have a problem with your install. IPS works good. I have no complaints, and neither other people on other Solaris forums I hang around. IPS surely works, but performance-wise, it is very poor

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread paul
Che Kristo schrieb: Just out of curiosity are there defects raised against the issues you've raised here? I have searche3d and can not find them in http://defect.opensolaris.org/ I don't think it would make sense to add them. gnome-vfs is broken by design and is already replaced by something

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-25 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
At present, I believe Solaris 10 or SXCE is more suitable to large-scale deployment than OpenSolaris (i.e. the distro formerly known as Indiana). If OpenSolaris will indeed become the basis of Solaris next (give or take additional licensed, i.e. proprietary components and support for Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
Well I guess if the service is supposed to work it would have had that setting already enabled. Hell I hate the living crap out of windows but its update service is significantly more reliable out of the box than this, hell even solaris 10 update manager is more reliable and efficient. But I

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
set the variable and I still cannot finish an update. I cannot believe that you plan to replace solaris with this crap! You should have stuck with JDS R2 instead of a linux-solaris bastardization. At least I could get updates with JDS R2 before the repositories were

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy dream world while us true believers stomp the turf with the tried and true heavy metal hitter solaris 10 and its Step brother that is beaten to death

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Andrew Stormont
Nexenta.org 2009/11/24 Chad Welsh unixphr...@mac.com I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy dream world while us true believers stomp the turf with the tried and true heavy metal hitter

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Chad Welsh wrote: I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? If I try to install large packages like Openoffice, Java 7 runtime or I figure anything over 10MB or so the Package Manager fails to download

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Travis Tabbal
I've never used the older package system, OpenSolaris 2009.06 was my first try on Solaris as an admin. I've had no problems with the package system though. It works well for me. I've done image-updates when I needed to download close to a gig and it gets them all and installs them all without

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Tomas Bodzar
It works, but it doesn't mean that it works well. Don't know why Sun decided to reinvent wheel (the most stupid idea in Unix world opposite to K.I.S.S.). There is pkgsrc available for Solaris or there are packaging systems from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, ... with good licence. -- This message posted

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Chad Welsh unixphr...@mac.com [2009-11-24 04:58]: I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? There is no limit imposed, either by the client or the server. If I try to install large packages like

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Erik Trimble
Tomas Bodzar wrote: It works, but it doesn't mean that it works well. Don't know why Sun decided to reinvent wheel (the most stupid idea in Unix world opposite to K.I.S.S.). There is pkgsrc available for Solaris or there are packaging systems from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, ... with good licence.

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Brent Jones
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Chad Welsh unixphr...@mac.com wrote: I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy dream world while us true believers stomp the turf with the tried and true

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Unlike some, I find IPS to be usable, but that doesn't change the fact that it was lunacy to implement a packaging system in an interpreted language. [url=http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell]Haskell[/url] would have been a much better choice. The [url=http://xmonad.org/]Xmonad window

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:55:56 +0100, Erik Trimble wrote: Aside from the sporadic download issues, exactly what else seems wrong with ips? First sorry for my English. I miss some options when (un)install packege(s) like these: -f --force Force

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:55:56 +0100, Erik Trimble wrote: Aside from the sporadic download issues, exactly what else seems wrong with ips? First sorry for my English. I miss some options when (un)install packege(s) like these: -f --force

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:08:05 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: Viktor Cemasko wrote: ... --forceForce the (un)install of a package. This was purposefully omitted. Your system couldn't be properly upgraded if this was supported. With snapshot possibility I

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:08:05 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: Viktor Cemasko wrote: ... --forceForce the (un)install of a package. This was purposefully omitted. Your system couldn't be properly upgraded if this was supported. With

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:56:14 +0100, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: ... In short, the way the OpenSolaris distribution is currently built pretty much requires SUNWfirefox if you want to use the included GNOME. I understand Your position in this question. My

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:56:14 +0100, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: ... In short, the way the OpenSolaris distribution is currently built pretty much requires SUNWfirefox if you want to use the included GNOME. I understand Your position in

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:41:21 +0100, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: As I already said, -r does what you said for --upward. Look at the output of 'uninstall -nrv'. I am sure You already mistook only because of my bad explanation. ~%= pfexec pkg uninstall -nrv SUNWfirefox

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:41:21 +0100, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: As I already said, -r does what you said for --upward. Look at the output of 'uninstall -nrv'. I am sure You already mistook only because of my bad explanation. ~%= pfexec pkg uninstall

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:39:22 +0100, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: It is upward through the dependencies of the package you named. SUNWfirefox is not a dependency of SUNWgnome-help-viewer and is therefore not listed. Bingo. We come closer to what I want(ed) and trying to

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:39:22 +0100, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: It is upward through the dependencies of the package you named. SUNWfirefox is not a dependency of SUNWgnome-help-viewer and is therefore not listed. Bingo. We come closer to what I

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread A.T.
Chad Welsh wrote: Y instead of a linux-solaris bastardization. Great good name for what Solaris is becoming :) Thanks for your fantasy Salut Alex ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:14:52 +0100, Shawn Walker swal...@opensolaris.org wrote: It has been discussed, but I don't know when or if it might be implemented. Clear, has taken into consideration. As for SUNWgnome-help-viewer, I suspect its a dependency of some package SUNWfirefox depends

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Che Kristo
I think its more like when people see rudeness like you've displayed they don't want to help On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 01:27, Chad Welsh unixphr...@mac.com wrote: I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those that have and that still will say that SX:CE is the way of the future and

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Chad Welsh wrote: I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those that have and that still will say that SX:CE is the

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread paul
Shawn Walker schrieb: Chad Welsh wrote: I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those that have and that still will

[osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-23 Thread Chad Welsh
I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? If I try to install large packages like Openoffice, Java 7 runtime or I figure anything over 10MB or so the Package Manager fails to download the entire queue. Am I

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-23 Thread Vikram Hegde
Hi, I have had no problems image-updating via IPS over my slow and flaky internet connection at home. Having had a lot of experience with SVR4 packages, I can assure you IPS is far far better. One problem I did run into was related to timeouts. Have you set the PKG_CLIENT_TIMEOUT=900 (or