Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Jones
I am not getting it?are you suggesting the recreation of opensolaris and IP repository separate from Oracle? This would only make sense if there was a planned strategy,leadership,and sponsor.Clearly Oracle has been wrestling with how to make money with opensource with inexperienced manag

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Peter Jones wrote: > I am not getting it?are you suggesting the recreation of opensolaris > and IP repository separate from Oracle? This would only make sense if there > was a planned strategy,leadership,and sponsor.Clearly Oracle has been > wrestling with how to make money with openso

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-20 Thread John Plocher
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Peter Jones wrote: > I am not getting it?are you suggesting the recreation of opensolaris > and > IP repository separate from Oracle? >From my perspective, no. What I am suggesting is that we should finish the work started in the emancipation community,

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-20 Thread Alan DuBoff
> What I am suggesting is that we should finish the work started in the > emancipation community, pull in the groundbreaking build and boot > efforts from the various other distros (starting with Schillix, > Belinix and the IBM/z port simply because Joerg, Moinak and Neale are > involved) and produ

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-20 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:30 PM, John Plocher wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Peter Jones wrote: >> I am not getting it?are you suggesting the recreation of opensolaris >> and >> IP repository separate from Oracle? > > From my perspective, no. > > What I am suggesting is that w

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-20 Thread Erik Trimble
Alan DuBoff wrote: What I am suggesting is that we should finish the work started in the emancipation community, pull in the groundbreaking build and boot efforts from the various other distros (starting with Schillix, Belinix and the IBM/z port simply because Joerg, Moinak and Neale are involved

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-21 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Erik Trimble wrote: Be *very* careful what you wish for. One of the problems with OpenSolaris (from a PR standpoint) has been the lack of real emphasis on the GOAL for OpenSolaris. Is it a general-purpose, use-it-for-anything OS? Is it for embeded systems? Backoffice

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-21 Thread Josh Hurst
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Thu, 20 May 2010, Erik Trimble wrote: > >> Be *very* careful what you wish for. One of the problems with OpenSolaris >> (from a PR standpoint) has been the lack of real emphasis on the GOAL for >> OpenSolaris. Is it a general-purpose, use-

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-22 Thread Alan DuBoff
> The comment about GNU is IMO unjustified. The ksh93-integration and > AT&T team have done a much better technical job than GNU in the last > four years. We got ksh93, a lot of modernized tools, even more in the > work, with GNU *and* BSD extensions, stick to POSIX and a stable API > and they are

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-22 Thread Josh Hurst
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Alan DuBoff wrote: >> The comment about GNU is IMO unjustified. The ksh93-integration and >> AT&T team have done a much better technical job than GNU in the last >> four years. We got ksh93, a lot of modernized tools, even more in the >> work, with GNU *and* BSD ex

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Alan DuBoff
> You picked a bad example. GNU tar has its own share > of problems. By > default no other achiever than GNU tar can unpack > long path names in > archives created by GNU tar. Maybe I just got lucky... [al...@eagle Documents]$ gtar zcvf ./test.tgz tmp tmp/ tmp/split log cut.jpg tmp/Trailer Photo

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] > You picked a bad example. GNU tar has its own share > of problems. By > default no other achiever than GNU tar can unpack > long path names in > archives created by GNU tar. That's a big problem. It > becomes worse > because tar archives with long path names created > with GNU tar from > 20

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff wrote: > > You picked a bad example. GNU tar has its own share > > of problems. By > > default no other achiever than GNU tar can unpack > > long path names in > > archives created by GNU tar. > > Maybe I just got lucky... > > [al...@eagle Documents]$ gtar zcvf ./test.tgz tmp > tmp/ >

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Alan DuBoff
> A test with _short_ path names does not prove > anything - sorry. Jörg, WTF do I need to do then? I was told that you couldn't unarchive any long filenames with another tar, that it wouldn't work. Do I need to rub my tummy, while hopping around on one leg in a full moon? Or do I need to do s

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff wrote: > > A test with _short_ path names does not prove > > anything - sorry. > > Jörg, > > WTF do I need to do then? I was told that you couldn't unarchive any long > filenames with another tar, that it wouldn't work. You did run a test with less than 100 chars (which is supportd

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Peter Jones
Josh WTF, we can't even use the (Open)Solaris name. Why don't we rename the organisation then? OGB should hold a contest and community vote and then move all servers to the new name. Well my vote is for (O pen S olars 1 edition) or OS1 for short. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Tomas Bodzar
IPS repositories are simply death because of speed and crazy lack of applications because of stupid IP and patent issues which doesn't help anything. They just cause slow or no development at all. And Oracle/Sun must be in line with them. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-23 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> IPS repositories are simply death because of speed > and crazy lack of applications because of stupid IP > and patent issues which doesn't help anything. They > just cause slow or no development at all. And > Oracle/Sun must be in line with them. If you want Ubuntu with a Solaris kernel, use Nex

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Tomas Bodzar
No thanks. I'm working with Linux and it's more then enough for me. Ubuntu is at maximum fine for desktop, but still I prefer and use OpenBSD for desktop. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discu

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Erik Trimble
On 5/23/2010 6:39 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: IPS repositories are simply death because of speed and crazy lack of applications because of stupid IP and patent issues which doesn't help anything. They just cause slow or no development at all. And Oracle/Sun must be in line with them. If

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
> Not to be elitist here, but I'd have to second this. > What I'm looking or in OpenSolaris is not the same things I'm looking > for in Linux. I've already got Linux, and it does those things just fine > (or, well, good enough, for the most part). +1 -- This message posted from opensolaris.or

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Alan DuBoff
> You did run a test with less than 100 chars (which is > supportd by tar since 1979). I didn't know the syntax was from 1979, not that it even matters...it is supported syntax today is it not? I don't type pathnames longer than 100 characters, which is 20 characters wider than a normal page.

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff wrote: > > You did run a test with less than 100 chars (which is > > supportd by tar since 1979). > > I didn't know the syntax was from 1979, not that it even matters...it is > supported syntax today is it not? tar is from 1979 star is from 1982 PD-tar or SUG-tar (Sun User Group Tar

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Jürgen Keil
> I don't type pathnames longer than 100 characters, > which is 20 characters wider than a normal page. > > > Try again with a path name > 100 chars and check what > > happens. I did verify a failure with Indiana build 134 > > But I don't use that on my system anyway...:-/ My opensolaris b134 sy

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Rich Burridge
On 05/24/10 11:50, Jürgen Keil wrote: I don't type pathnames longer than 100 characters, which is 20 characters wider than a normal page. Try again with a path name> 100 chars and check what happens. I did verify a failure with Indiana build 134 But I don't use that on my syste

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Peter Jones
OpenSolaris has the opportunity to be *the* datacenter OS - free, open, innovative, and (yes) profitable. We just have to all push in the same direction for awhile... -- Erik Trimble Who is the competition for this datacenter market?.oracle may see Solaris 11 fitting in heremaybe the be

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Rich Burridge wrote: > > Try to create a gnutar archive from that directory > > and unpack it with solaris tar, and check if all > > files are copied ok: > > > >(cd / ; /usr/gnu/bin/tar cf - usr/share/doc/libsigc++-2.0 ) | (cd /tmp ; > > /bin/tar xf - ) > > > > If you mean the: > > tar:

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Rich Burridge
On 05/24/10 14:34, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Rich Burridge wrote: Try to create a gnutar archive from that directory and unpack it with solaris tar, and check if all files are copied ok: (cd / ; /usr/gnu/bin/tar cf - usr/share/doc/libsigc++-2.0 ) | (cd /tmp ; /bin/ta

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Alan Coopersmith
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > Rich Burridge wrote: > >>> Try to create a gnutar archive from that directory >>> and unpack it with solaris tar, and check if all >>> files are copied ok: >>> >>>(cd / ; /usr/gnu/bin/tar cf - usr/share/doc/libsigc++-2.0 ) | (cd /tmp ; >>> /bin/ta

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Rich Burridge wrote: > On 05/24/10 14:34, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > > Rich Burridge wrote: > > > > > >>> Try to create a gnutar archive from that directory > >>> and unpack it with solaris tar, and check if all > >>> files are copied ok: > >>> > >>> (cd / ; /usr/gnu/bi

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > A quick check of the source would tell you the change was much smaller > than that: > http://hg.genunix.org/onnv-gate.hg/rev/caff1bd711f5 Looks a bit hacky... Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.t

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-05-24 Thread Alan Coopersmith
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > I did noe see any request for review of the changed code. Are there no longer > code reviews? Nothing has changed in regards to code review policy - there has never been a requirement in ON or most other consolidations [1] to expose reviews to anyone bu

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-06-09 Thread Damian Wojsław
Quoting Alan DuBoff : [cut] duplicated efforts between (Open)Solaris, and Linux. In that regard, Nexenta got it right in having GNU as the base, those efforts are not duplicated, and continue to evolve with the rest of the open source world. [cut] Yeah, riiight. Have you recently worke

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-06-10 Thread Paul Floyd
> Hmm. Some GNU tools don't stink. So far, I find > gawk to be generally > superior to the real thing. The one time that I benchmarked /usr/xpg4/bin/awk against /opt/sfw/bin/gawk, awk was significantly faster. A+ Paul -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-06-10 Thread Dennis Clarke
>> Hmm. Some GNU tools don't stink. So far, I find >> gawk to be generally >> superior to the real thing. > > The one time that I benchmarked /usr/xpg4/bin/awk against > /opt/sfw/bin/gawk, awk was significantly faster. I don't care about speed. I want stability and perfect reliability in the in

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-06-10 Thread Paul Floyd
> >> Hmm. Some GNU tools don't stink. So far, I find > >> gawk to be generally > >> superior to the real thing. > > > > The one time that I benchmarked /usr/xpg4/bin/awk > against > > /opt/sfw/bin/gawk, awk was significantly faster. > > I don't care about speed. I've got better things to do in

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-06-10 Thread Dennis Clarke
>> >> Hmm. Some GNU tools don't stink. So far, I find >> >> gawk to be generally >> >> superior to the real thing. >> > >> > The one time that I benchmarked /usr/xpg4/bin/awk >> against >> > /opt/sfw/bin/gawk, awk was significantly faster. >> >> I don't care about speed. > > I've got better thin

Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...

2010-06-10 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/10/2010 1:52 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: I want stability and perfect reliability in the interface. It must do what it did yesterday and tomorrow when dealing with scripts and function calls for code written in 1993 if needed. That's fine, to a point. I'm all for getting the interface