Thomas:
You make very good suggestions. Of them all (aside from the use of tact in
approaching the developers :-) ), I think that easy-to-follow code examples
would improve the openSSL experience more than anything else you identify.
These examples could even provide a natural context for the
-openssl-us...@openssl.org
[mailto:owner-openssl-us...@openssl.org] On Behalf Of John Zavgren
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:45 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
Thomas:
You make very good suggestions. Of them all (aside from the use of tact
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:45 AM, John Zavgren j...@zavgren.com wrote:
Thomas:
You make very good suggestions. Of them all (aside from the use of tact in
approaching the developers :-) ), I think that easy-to-follow code examples
would improve the openSSL experience more than anything else you
On 11/19/2012 5:19 AM, Thomas J. Hruska wrote:
On 11/13/2012 11:34 AM, Sanford Staab wrote:
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now writing batch
scripts on windows trying to make a .net web client with a client
certificate work with 2-way ssl against an apache web server.
Do
Am 19.11.2012 15:45, schrieb John Zavgren:
So, what is a list of easy-to-follow code examples? Here are some
suggestions:
1.) read private key and a message from a file: encrypt message with
private key, write encrypted buffer to (another) file.
2.) read cert and private key, read file, compute
On 11/13/2012 11:34 AM, Sanford Staab wrote:
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now writing batch scripts
on windows trying to make a .net web client with a client certificate work with
2-way ssl against an apache web server.
Do you guys just want to continue to answer
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Thomas J. Hruska
shineli...@shininglightpro.com wrote:
On 11/13/2012 11:34 AM, Sanford Staab wrote:
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now writing batch
scripts on windows trying to make a .net web client with a client
certificate work with
Another amen.
I am a professional programmer. I am grateful for OpenSSL. At the same
time, each time I have to use it directly (as opposed to use a few of the
good C++ wrappers) I know I will be going down to hell and fight for my
life, and when I will come back, my hairs will be grayer :-)
Lack
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:11:17 -0700
t...@terralogic.net wrote:
This is just a NORMAL way for a programmer to work IMHO. I HATE
comming into undocumented code years after its been written and IMHO
its a big booby trap because its very easy to miss something and that
creates hard to find bugs.
: Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:42 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
Another amen.
I am a professional programmer. I am grateful for OpenSSL. At the same
time, each time I have to use it directly (as opposed to use a few of the
good C++ wrappers) I know I
to let
me or others know how we can update the docs somehow?
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From: Carlo Wood
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:31 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:11:17 -0700
t...@terralogic.net wrote
...@openssl.org]
On Behalf Of Sanford Staab(Gmail)
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 5:27 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
It’s interesting that this article shows that LACK OF GOOD DOCUMENTATION and
POOR API DESIGN are at the heart of this problem
: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:31 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:11:17 -0700
t...@terralogic.net wrote:
This is just a NORMAL way for a programmer to work IMHO. I HATE
comming into undocumented code years after its been
: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:31 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:11:17 -0700
t...@terralogic.net wrote:
This is just a NORMAL way for a programmer to work IMHO. I HATE
comming into undocumented code years after its
Sanford Staab(Gmail) sanfo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is high time for a v2 of openssl, a rewrite almost from scratch, removing
support for older protocols and ciphers and simplifying it down with full TDD from
start to finish to really correct this problem.
So why don't you simply
On 11/13/2012 11:24 PM, Pierre DELAAGE wrote:
If we would have to have deep understanding of the various codes we are
using everyday (I am myself a programmer, and openssl WCE contributor),
we would not have enough time to work, to produce anything.
Anyway understanding what the code is
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now writing batch scripts
on windows trying to make a .net web client with a client certificate work with
2-way ssl against an apache web server.
Do you guys just want to continue to answer questions on this alias and not FIX
the docs
On 11/13/2012 07:34 PM, Sanford Staab wrote:
Do you guys just want to continue to answer questions on this alias
and not FIX the docs somewhat over time? I could go into a litany of
how much information is just missing from the docs with INCOMPLETE
everywhere.
You might have overlooked the
For things that the peer support forum and the existing documentation
don't cover, you have the source code, which is definitive.
Additionally, there are professional OpenSSL consultants you can use for
help.
It would be more productive to submit bugs and patches, instead of a
litany :-)
”?
Charles
From: owner-openssl-us...@openssl.org [mailto:owner-openssl-us...@openssl.org]
On Behalf Of Sanford Staab
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:35 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: I can't believe how much this sucks
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Sanford Staab sanfo...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now writing batch
scripts on windows trying to make a .net web client with a client
certificate work with 2-way ssl against an apache web server.
Do you guys just want
Answers inline.
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paléogadidé (vieille morue)
Le 13/11/2012 19:34, Sanford Staab a écrit :
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now writing batch
scripts on windows trying to make a
It's a GREAT product and I love it and am grateful but why after
years and years do the man pages still say under construction?
Because it is an open source project and the things that get done
are the things people volunteer to do. Most programmers would
much rather create cool things than
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Lee Fisher blib...@gmail.com wrote:
For things that the peer support forum and the existing documentation
don't cover, you have the source code, which is definitive.
Additionally, there are professional OpenSSL consultants you can use for
help.
It would be
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Sanford Staab sanfo...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been struggling with openssl for a few months now writing batch
scripts on windows trying to make a .net web client with a client
certificate work with 2-way ssl against an apache web server.
Do you guys just want
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Magosányi, Árpád m4g...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/13/2012 07:34 PM, Sanford Staab wrote:
Do you guys just want to continue to answer questions on this alias and not
FIX the docs somewhat over time? I could go into a litany of how much
information is just missing
Hi,
I am not criticising the documentation for openssl, and will not; but I
would encourage those who are responsible for maintaining and improving
openssl to not neglect the documentation. It would be a mistake to leave
it is an Open Source project - thus there is also an onus on
I beg to differ and this is one reason I am not very active.
Several years ago I contributed a function to determine endianess. I had done
it years and years before so it was quite simple for me. I took the time to
put documentation in the function. Also I am a professional consulting
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 07:51:24PM +0100, Magosányi, Árpád wrote:
On 11/13/2012 07:34 PM, Sanford Staab wrote:
Do you guys just want to continue to answer questions on this alias
and not FIX the docs somewhat over time? I could go into a litany of
how much information is just missing
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Lee Fisher blib...@gmail.com wrote:
For things that the peer support forum and the existing documentation don't
cover, you have the source code, which is definitive.
Additionally
and they don’t even seem to
want someone who does to help.
From: Magosányi, Árpád
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:51 PM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
On 11/13/2012 07:34 PM, Sanford Staab wrote:
Do you guys just want to continue to answer questions
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, alan buxey a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote:
Hi,
I am not criticising the documentation for openssl, and will not; but
I
would encourage those who are responsible for maintaining and
improving
openssl to not neglect the documentation. It would be
EXACTLY!
Charles
From: owner-openssl-us...@openssl.org [mailto:owner-openssl-us...@openssl.org]
On Behalf Of Sanford Staab
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:53 PM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: I can't believe how much this sucks
Couldn’t agree more Ted. I think the bar
Hi,
Nonsense. No-one knows better how the code ought to be working than the
folk who developed it. I begin with the assumption that all my coders are
i'd cite the cathedral and the bazaar ...or the 'many eyes make all bugs
shallow'
views - if you are given the API and the documents,
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:38 PM, alan buxey a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote:
Hi,
Nonsense. No-one knows better how the code ought to be working than
the
folk who developed it. I begin with the assumption that all my
coders are
i'd cite the cathedral and the bazaar ...or the 'many
If we would have to have deep understanding of the various codes we are
using everyday (I am myself a programmer, and openssl WCE contributor),
we would not have enough time to work, to produce anything.
Anyway understanding what the code is SUPPOSED to do is one thing, and
HOW it is doing it,
For things that the peer support forum and the existing documentation
don't cover, you have the source code, which is definitive.
The source code can tell you what it DOES do - but the cost of
understanding that can be very high in some cases, and the problem
domain of OpenSSL almost
the 'many eyes make all bugs shallow' views
You don't believe that, do you?
The number of counter-examples of long-standing bugs in widely available
and active open-source systems should be large enough to call it now.
Especially in subtle, complex systems where there is no documentation of
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