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>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Freek de Kruijf
>> Sent: 22 January 2020 10:38
>> To: opensuse-arm@opensuse.org
>> Subject: Re: [opensuse-arm] Some progress with official images for Tumbleweed
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FI stub: Exiting boot services and installing virtual address map...
You probably need earlycon to see more.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Freek de Kruijf
> Sent: 22 January 2020 10:38
> To: opensuse-arm@opensuse.org
> Subject: Re: [opensuse-arm] Some progress with official images for Tumbleweed
> and Leap 15.2 on Raspberry Pi 4B
>
> Op dinsdag 21 januari 2020 11:51
Op dinsdag 21 januari 2020 11:51:03 CET schreef Matthias Brugger:
> Be patient, it takes a while. We will need to add the HW RNG to speed things
> up. I think this should be part of openSUSE Leap 15.2, maybe you want to
> try this images:
> https://download.opensuse.org/ports/aarch64/
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On 20/01/2020 12:38, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
> I just tried the JeOS, XFCE and KDE versions of the "official" Tumbleweed
> images for the Raspberry Pi 4. They use kernel 5.4.10.
> openSUSE-Tumbleweed-ARM-{JeOS,XFCE,KDE}-raspberrypi4.aarch64-2020.01.08-
> Snapshot202001
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As rpi4 resembles pine64,
Would it be possible to run suse’s arm-image on their SBC, laptop or their
latest gadget: Linux-Phone?
Excuses for auto-typo’s
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de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is
Op maandag 20 januari 2020 21:19:20 CET schreef Fabian Vogt:
> Hi,
>
> Am Montag, 20. Januar 2020, 12:38:00 CET schrieb Freek de Kruijf:
> > I just tried the JeOS, XFCE and KDE versions of the "official" Tumbleweed
> > images for the Raspberry Pi 4. They use kernel
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Hi,
Am Montag, 20. Januar 2020, 12:38:00 CET schrieb Freek de Kruijf:
> I just tried the JeOS, XFCE and KDE versions of the "official" Tumbleweed
> images for the Raspberry Pi 4. They use kernel 5.4.10.
> openSUSE-Tumbleweed-ARM-{JeOS,XFCE,KDE}-raspberrypi4.aarch64-2020.01.08-
I just tried the JeOS, XFCE and KDE versions of the "official" Tumbleweed
images for the Raspberry Pi 4. They use kernel 5.4.10.
openSUSE-Tumbleweed-ARM-{JeOS,XFCE,KDE}-raspberrypi4.aarch64-2020.01.08-
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Console input from the keyboard attached to a USB interface
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I created https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1161337 to track this
bug properly.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Guillaume Gardet
> Sent: 20 January 2020 12:25
> To: Guillaume Gardet ; Michael Ströder
> ; Matthias Brugger ; openSUSE
> ARM ML
> S
Hi,
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Ströder
> Sent: 18 January 2020 16:51
> To: Guillaume Gardet ; Matthias Brugger
> ; openSUSE ARM ML
> Subject: Re: [opensuse-arm] RPI1 does not boot after Tumbleweed upgrade
>
> On 11/12/19 2:47 PM, Guillaume Gardet w
Hi,
> -Original Message-
> From: Axel Braun
> Sent: 18 January 2020 17:45
> To: opensuse-arm@opensuse.org
> Subject: [opensuse-arm] Status of Leap 15.2 for aarch64
>
> Hi,
>
> just seen the announcement of a new build of Leap 15.2 for x86_64, but I
> wo
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Hi,
just seen the announcement of a new build of Leap 15.2 for x86_64, but I
wonder what the status for ARM is?
I havent seen new packages for quite some time, and there should be some fixes
in I'm waiting for
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matthias Brugger
>> Sent: 08 November 2019 12:26
>> To: Michael Ströder ; openSUSE ARM ML > a...@opensuse.org>
>> Cc: Guillaume Gardet
>> Subject: Re: [opensuse-arm] R
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On 15.01.2020 17:04, PGNet Dev wrote:
> Is this a known/fixable issue?
I see you've posted this same issue also on xen-devel. I'd like to
suggest to keep the discussion there, as it's the more promising
environment (wider audience).
Jan
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Merci sogal pour ces infos détaillées !
Guillaume
- sogal a écrit :
> Veuillez trouver ci-après les nouvelles d'openSUSE tumbleweed pour
> cette semaine:
>
> Plusieurs paquets ont été mis à jour cette semaine dans openSUSE
> Tumbleweed comme prévu après la saison des
Veuillez trouver ci-après les nouvelles d'openSUSE tumbleweed pour
cette semaine:
Plusieurs paquets ont été mis à jour cette semaine dans openSUSE
Tumbleweed comme prévu après la saison des vacances. Cinq instantanés
de cette version évolutive ont été livrés cette dernière semaine après
avoir
Thought there's no need to ask for agreement:
> Yes please, go ahead! :)
Will do !
I will send several invitations at once in order to have a stock of interviews.
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I've a recently upgraded (pkgs via zypper), running
Xen 4.13.0_04
server, on EFI hardware + Intel Xeon E3 CPU, with kernel
5.4.11-24.g2d02eb4-default
on
lsb_release -rd
Description:openSUSE Leap 15.1
Release:15.1
It boots
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Hi sogal,
> I have also started a list of people I would like to send the
> interview to. Feel free to comment and add your own :
> https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/question_for_people_of_opensuse
That's great. I could not find something missing, but maybe that's something
coming during the
Hi,
As talked about in last week's team meeting here's the topics collection for
possible news-o-o articles:
https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/marketing-topics-collection-jan2020
Please feel free to dump in things coming up to your mind. Anything is
welcome! And if you want to pick something to
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* armv6: http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv6hl/update/tumbleweed/
Cheers,
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> Sent: 09 January 2020 16:06
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> Subject: [opensuse-arm] New ARM Tumbleweed snapshot 20200107 release
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>> RPi4B. My understanding is that bugzilla is for the "official" images and
>> not
>> for the images Matthias is working on.
>>
Just try to delete swiotlb=512 from the kernelcmdline, that should fix the
issue. This should land in the official image (maybe it already did).
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; > Is it OK to report issues like these on this list?
> >
> > For this we have bugzilla, it's known and people are working on fixing
> > it. Use the official images and you don't have this problems ;)
>
> My only intention is to assist in getting a proper working s
ist in getting a proper working system on the
RPi4B. My understanding is that bugzilla is for the "official" images and not
for the images Matthias is working on.
>
> Thorsten
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Hi,
> For anyone not able to make it I will try to make a report.
As promised here are the meeting notes including action items:
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_meeting:2020-01-08
Thanks to everyone taking part!
If there are any questions or things unclear with the notes please ask
t, and just reconnect services,
and yes, it won't be that complex, it just "a pain" and I was hoping
to avoid it.
> And a general observation,
> If this machine was originally installed as a 13.1 and survived every
> upgrade for each openSUSE version from then to now, IMO that's quite
practice to keep the HostOS in a multi-apartment
system as simple and uncomplex as possible.
And a general observation,
If this machine was originally installed as a 13.1 and survived every
upgrade for each openSUSE version from then to now, IMO that's quite
an accomplishment.
IMO,
Tony
On Wed
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is full (sz: 4096 bytes), total 512 (slots), used 511 ...
I could not find a parameter to increase the buffers.
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Hi there,
as there were no objections against the appointment and Doug is available as
well I hereby invite everyone interested to the team marketing meeting:
*Date & Time*
Tomorrow, January 8th at 19:00h UTC
Check your local time here:
Moin,
Am Montag, 16. Dezember 2019, 11:54:55 CET schrieb Guillaume Gardet:
> Hi Dirk,
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dirk Müller
> > Sent: 16 December 2019 11:45
> > To: Guillaume Gardet
> > Cc: opensuse-arm@opensuse.org; Andreas Färber
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Hi,
> -Original Message-
> From: Thorsten Kukuk
> Sent: 06 January 2020 22:59
> To: Matthias Brugger
> Cc: Guillaume Gardet ; opensuse-
> a...@opensuse.org; Nicolas Saenz
> Subject: Re: [opensuse-arm] Raspberry Pi4 - usb-disk and initrd
>
> Hi,
>
>
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 06, Matthias Brugger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On 1/6/20 8:42 AM, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Thorsten Kukuk
> >> Sent: 05 January 2020 14:35
> >> To: opensuse-ar
Hi all,
On 1/6/20 8:42 AM, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Thorsten Kukuk
>> Sent: 05 January 2020 14:35
>> To: opensuse-arm@opensuse.org
>> Subject: [opensuse-arm] Raspberry Pi4 - usb-disk and initrd
>>
&g
nsuse.reference/cha-tuning-multikernel.html#sec-tuning-multikernel-latest
In any case, those two methods can help verify whether the problem is
in the kernel (module), or something in leap userland (including its
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> -Original Message-
> From: Axel Braun
> Sent: 21 December 2019 18:56
> To: opensuse-arm@opensuse.org
> Subject: [opensuse-arm] Status of Leap 15.2
>
> Hi,
>
> does anyone know the status of Leap 15.2 for Raspi 3? Is it 'safe' to try an
> upgr
be bound to a
> network interface which communicates correctly with the HostOS network
> interface which in the case of Xen installed on openSUSE/SUSE likely
> itself has a bridge device bound to the network interface.
> Yes, that starts getting complicated, so...
>
> 2. You can go "
your likely choices,
1. If you create a bridge device in the Guest, it has to be bound to a
network interface which communicates correctly with the HostOS network
interface which in the case of Xen installed on openSUSE/SUSE likely
itself has a bridge device bound to the network interface.
Yes
ues?
I'd be grateful for any thoughts anyone might have!
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me to something useful
in the above output, or suggest any next steps.
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Op donderdag 26 december 2019 16:40:01 CET schreef Freek de Kruijf:
> Today I tried image:
> openSUSE-Tumbleweed-JeOS.aarch64-15.1.0-RaspberryPi-Build61.34.raw.xz
> from Matthias Brugger.
>
> After installing xorg packages and pattern XFCE, adding a normal user, and
> setting
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f this snapshot before upgrading:
> https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse=3=Tumbleweed=20191225
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Am 29.12.2019 um 15:55 schrieb Freek de Kruijf:
> Op vrijdag 27 december 2019 20:08:21 CET schreef Guillaume Gardet:
>> Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading:
>> https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse=3
Op vrijdag 27 december 2019 20:08:21 CET schreef Guillaume Gardet:
>
> Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading:
> https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse=3
> =Tumbleweed=20191225
>
> Please do not reply to this email to report issues,
Hi all!
Watching openSUSE from being not involved in development I get the impression
that it keeps acting like a poker player:
Having a full deck of cards at hand including four aces but not showing to
anyone just because the position of his sun glasses could… possibly…
eventually… under
Hello community,
here is the log from the commit of package openSUSE-release-tools for
openSUSE:Factory checked in at 2019-12-27 14:01:16
Comparing /work/SRC/openSUSE:Factory/openSUSE-release-tools (Old)
and /work/SRC
Hello community,
here is the log from the commit of package ghc-distribution-opensuse for
openSUSE:Factory checked in at 2019-12-27 13:53:00
Comparing /work/SRC/openSUSE:Factory/ghc-distribution-opensuse (Old
Today I tried image:
openSUSE-Tumbleweed-JeOS.aarch64-15.1.0-RaspberryPi-Build61.34.raw.xz
from Matthias Brugger.
After installing xorg packages and pattern XFCE, adding a normal user, and
setting the default target to graphical-interface, I was able, after login, to
have a XFCE desktop
or usage, I can make the host crash by
> rsyncing a lot of data over a crossover cable at maximum speed. I
Typo. Ugh.
The host does not ever crash.
s/host crash/guest crash/ => I can make the GUEST crash by
rsyncing a lot of data.
Sorry.
Glen
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> Virtualization module. If you did that, then you shouldn't have
> variations. Also, you would be prompted to install a bridge device.
Sorry, I was not clear, my fault.
My HostOS is OpenSuse 15.1 across all hosts. On two of the hosts, it
is a fresh load from the downloaded ISO, with
Nagios and Nagios clones to commercial apps in combination with
sensors.
You should also consider whether you should be monitoring from within
your Guest or on the HostOS.
Don't know if you need a read on what you're doing to optimize, I
wrote the article long ago based on an earlier openSUSE
e grateful for any guidance or insights into this.
> > Yes, in addition to trying to upgrade my client in place to 15.1, I
> > could just build a new guest by hand, but that would be even more
> > time-consuming and seems like it should not be necessary. If I might
>
y. If I might
> quote from the kernel, "Dazed and confused, but trying to continue" is
> exactly how I'm feeling here. Why could this guest be hanging? Why
> does an NMI bring it back? What should I do next? Anything anyone
> would be willing to point me to or suggest would be gratefully
> appreciated.
>
> Glen
>
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