Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-11 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett escribió: Today, we are further than that. This dream has grown like a monster. Today openSUSE has a name in the organization chart and the project is so big, noisy and cool. ..and Im still getting surprised of it 's growth everyday... Things like the build service

[opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Stefan Hundhammer
On Monday 08 October 2007 18:26, Jan Engelhardt wrote: We could get away doing that kind of thing back in the days when we were that small German company SuSE. But now that SUSE is owned 100% by Novell, that just won't work any more. Why is why takeovers of this magnitude are evil :-)

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Joe Morris (NTM)
On 10/09/2007 05:49 PM, Stefan Hundhammer wrote: Folks, please get just a little bit more informed before you start bashing Novell. The old SuSE people don't do it, and there are reasons for that. OK, that was a little more than 2 Cents. Let's make this one whole Euro. ;-) Well said,

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Aniruddha
qft On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 19:00 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: On 10/09/2007 05:49 PM, Stefan Hundhammer wrote: Folks, please get just a little bit more informed before you start bashing Novell. The old SuSE people don't do it, and there are reasons for that. OK, that was a little

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Clayton
On 10/9/07, Stefan Hundhammer wrote: And then something began that we remaining SuSE people wouldn't have believed: Not only did they realize the value of a well-known brand name SuSE, they even did everything to absorb every tiny little bit of Linux know-how. Big and mighty 5000 people

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread darko g
On 10/9/07, Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been through times. Times where we had to produce an insane amount of small products of questionable value for the customer each quarter -- just to avoid getting broke again. Those times are over. Thanks to being owned by a company

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Stefan Hundhammer
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 13:44, darko g wrote: On 10/9/07, Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been through times. Times where we had to produce an insane amount of small products of questionable value for the customer each quarter -- just to avoid getting broke again. Those

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Oct 9 2007 19:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: On 10/09/2007 05:49 PM, Stefan Hundhammer wrote: Folks, please get just a little bit more informed before you start bashing Novell. The old SuSE people don't do it, and there are reasons for that. OK, that was a little more than 2 Cents. Let's

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-10-09 at 11:49 +0200, Stefan Hundhammer wrote: Having been through all that, having owned employee shares (and lost a lot of money with them), having seen investors buying out the previous owners of the old SuSE (including the

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Fergus Wilde
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 10:49, Stefan Hundhammer wrote: [...] Folks, please get just a little bit more informed before you start bashing Novell. The old SuSE people don't do it, and there are reasons for that. OK, that was a little more than 2 Cents. Let's make this one whole Euro. ;-)

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 13:56:33 Stefan Hundhammer wrote: So far, I'd say the community got its fair share. openSUSE as a community project would not exist if it hadn't been for Novell management to allocate the funds for constantly ongoing (!) involvement. That is so true. When I joined

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread John E. Perry
Stefan Hundhammer wrote: ... Folks, please get just a little bit more informed before you start bashing Novell. The old SuSE people don't do it, and there are reasons for that. Wow, I already considered Novell heroic enough in the SCO affair that I stuck with them even through what I

Re: [opensuse] Good or Bad of SuSE Novell Takeover - Was: Re: subpixel hinting...

2007-10-09 Thread Muhammad Rivai
On 10/9/07, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 09 October 2007 13:56:33 Stefan Hundhammer wrote: So far, I'd say the community got its fair share. openSUSE as a community project would not exist if it hadn't been for Novell management to allocate the funds for