Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-05-15 at 17:26 +0200, Matthias Hopf wrote: > > It would be interesting to know which video driver each of the kernel > > developers use when they themselves do not permit the distribution of > > the video drivers..? > > There are en

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On May 09, 07 18:23:43 +0200, Simon Lewis wrote: > Instead, the argument is over whether the video card manufactures are > stealing the kernel developers property, when in fact the video driver > manufactures are allowing the kernel manufactures to widely distribute > the Linux kernel to the mass u

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Hello All I sometimes feel that this debate is a long way away from reality... PCs as we know then today have a visual interface, this ultimately means that video cards and their driver are unavoidable hardware/firmware. I could understand a moral standpoint from the kernel developers if they in

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

John Andersen wrote: > By your definitions, any proprietary software designed > to run on linux would be illegal to run on linux. Yes it is, but not being run but being published. AFAIK if you publish a proggy for KDE w/o paying Trolltech within it's dual license and make it proprietary then it's

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

* John Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-08-07 15:55]: [...] > If you can't call a kernel function/method, then how could you use the > kernel at all? By your definitions, any proprietary software designed > to run on linux would be illegal to run on linux. As I read his statement, I believe he s

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Matthias Hopf wrote: > This is exactly where the trouble starts. The driver uses kernel > headers, for instance. Headers are merely input-output specifications. Record definitions, external interface specifications. Such things were never meant to be (and are not claimed

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On May 08, 07 09:23:50 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > > LGPL. That's *the* main difference from GPL. You're allowed to link > > proprietary software against LGPL, but not against GPL. > > > If that is the actual intent of the GPL, then IMO it constitutes an Yes. > unfair trade practice. What

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 2007-05-08 07:49, Matthias Hopf wrote: > On May 07, 07 10:27:18 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > >>> No the shim links to gpled kernel at build time. >>> >> And when I compile anything that opens a file, it has to link to the >> GPLed system library at build time too. That does not pre

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On May 07, 07 10:27:18 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > > No the shim links to gpled kernel at build time. > And when I compile anything that opens a file, it has to link to the > GPLed system library at build time too. That does not preclude me from LGPL. That's *the* main difference from GPL. Yo

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On May 08, 07 11:47:44 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote: > > the problem is the kernel license. > So you're saying that the drivers are in direct violation with GPL2? Many kernel developers say: Yes. Few say: No. Quite some say: Don't care. This hasn't been brought up to court, thus any claim that it is a

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-05-08 at 11:47 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote: > Carlos E. R. schrieb: > > > You don't understand: > > I did not. Indeed. > > > the problem is the kernel license. > > So you're saying that the drivers are in direct violation with GPL2? >

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Carlos E. R. schrieb: > You don't understand: I did not. Indeed. > the problem is the kernel license. So you're saying that the drivers are in direct violation with GPL2? Thus nvidia can publish them but opensuse ain't...politics, geez. But OK. In that case there is no need for me to dig any fu

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-05-07 at 17:20 +0200, Simon Lewis wrote: > Hello Matthias > > That is exactly the point, Novell IS a large American company. If it > wanted to, it would find a way to come to an agreement with nVidia, just > as Microsoft has done ;-)

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-05-08 at 01:45 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote: > > Yes, Nvidia are fine with people redistributing them, the Linux kernel > > developers are not. > > I can't assess your statement fully coz I'm not a lawyer. > > However where is the proble

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Benji Weber wrote: > Yes, Nvidia are fine with people redistributing them, the Linux kernel > developers are not. I can't assess your statement fully coz I'm not a lawyer. However where is the problem to take those rpm packages: http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/10.2/ and implement them into t

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 5/7/07, Jan Tiggy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Strange... "2.1.2 Linux/FreeBSD Exception. Notwithstanding the foregoing terms of Section 2.1.1, SOFTWARE designed exclusively for use on the Linux or FreeBSD operating systems, or other operating systems derived from the source code to these opera

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Matthias Hopf wrote: >> Why can Ubuntu include the NVIDIA drivers in there repository and >> openSUSE can't...??? > Actually, Ubuntu *cannot* include them as well. > They just don't give a damn and just do it. That's cool isn't it? :D >...Canonical. Which isn't American in the first place. Tha

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 2007-05-07 02:09, Benji Weber wrote: > On 5/6/07, Darryl Gregorash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > This is nothing todo with the DMCA. Have a look at the source of the >> > nvidia driver shim (which is available, but not GPLed) you wil see it >> > links to GPLed kernel components. Making it ille

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Hello Matthias That is exactly the point, Novell IS a large American company. If it wanted to, it would find a way to come to an agreement with nVidia, just as Microsoft has done ;-) Simon Matthias Hopf schrieb: > On May 05, 07 09:45:00 +0200, Simon Lewis wrote: > >> Why can Ubuntu include th

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On May 05, 07 09:45:00 +0200, Simon Lewis wrote: > Why can Ubuntu include the NVIDIA drivers in there repository and > openSUSE can't...??? Actually, Ubuntu *cannot* include them as well. They just don't give a damn and just do it. > Above all, Ubuntu has very conservative policy regarding produc

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Hello Benji Which SUSE/Novell e-mail address would you recommend..? Best regards, Simon. Benjamin Rosenberg schrieb: > On May 6, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > >> I would like to see more proprietary drivers and applications in >> openSUSE. >> This includes: NVIDIA, softmodems, Wifi

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 5/6/07, Darryl Gregorash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is nothing todo with the DMCA. Have a look at the source of the > nvidia driver shim (which is available, but not GPLed) you wil see it > links to GPLed kernel components. Making it illegal to distribute > under normal copyright law un

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On May 6, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Alexey Eremenko wrote: I would like to see more proprietary drivers and applications in openSUSE. This includes: NVIDIA, softmodems, Wifi, ... Why then don't you email SUSE/Novell and make this request instead of sending this short statement to thousands of user

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

I would like to see more proprietary drivers and applications in openSUSE. This includes: NVIDIA, softmodems, Wifi, ... -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 2007-05-04 17:36, Benji Weber wrote: > On 5/4/07, Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Oh please, isn't a bit silly to play the dmca card here? We're past >> moralizing about whether it's a crime to have proper >> hardware-accelerated OpenGL. Clearly, the nvidia driver is not a >> dervative work

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 5/5/07, Simon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Benji Thanks for your reply. I added ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/10.2/ to my yast sources. The 1.0-9631 driver is there , which I need for this PC on which I am writing the e-mail. For my other in the PC I need the 1.0-7184 driver

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Hello Benji Thanks for your reply. I added ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/10.2/ to my yast sources. The 1.0-9631 driver is there , which I need for this PC on which I am writing the e-mail. For my other in the PC I need the 1.0-7184 driver and that is not available in the above repository.

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

How about a restricted modules manager that downloads and installs the correct driver from the nvidia download site? Simon Sloan schrieb: > Benji Weber wrote: > >> On 5/4/07, Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> He's saying (and I agree, since it's obviously the right thing to do) >>>

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Why can Ubuntu include the NVIDIA drivers in there repository and openSUSE can't...??? Ubuntu even has a excellent restricted modules manager which identifies the correct NVIDIA driver to install. Above all, Ubuntu has very conservative policy regarding product infringements. I have the impressi

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 5/4/07, Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh please, isn't a bit silly to play the dmca card here? We're past moralizing about whether it's a crime to have proper hardware-accelerated OpenGL. Clearly, the nvidia driver is not a dervative work of the linux kernel, otherwise how does it run so we

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Benji Weber wrote: > On 5/4/07, Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> He's saying (and I agree, since it's obviously the right thing to do) >> that it would be nice to have the same choice of drivers as ubuntu, >> because these drivers are not a "one size fits all" proposition. For >> some cards, onl

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 5/4/07, Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Benji Weber wrote: > On 5/4/07, Simon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dear openSUSE developers/packagers >> >> Ubuntu 7.04 now has 3 NVIDIA drivers in restricted modules: >> >> nvidia-glx-legacy (1.0-7184) >> nvidia-glx (1.0-9631) #Last version to s

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Benji Weber wrote: > On 5/4/07, Simon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dear openSUSE developers/packagers >> >> Ubuntu 7.04 now has 3 NVIDIA drivers in restricted modules: >> >> nvidia-glx-legacy (1.0-7184) >> nvidia-glx (1.0-9631) #Last version to support Geforce 2 MX 400 >> amongst others >> n

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 5/4/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought that issue was because it's not open source. It is, the linux kernel is GPL, which means derivative works may only be distributed under the GPL. _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Benji Weber wrote: They will not be distributed by openSUSE/Novell as the drivers violate the Linux kernel developers' copyright, so openSUSE/Novell would be a party to copyright infringement. I thought that issue was because it's not open source. -- Use OpenOffice.org

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Simon Lewis wrote: Dear openSUSE developers/packagers Ubuntu 7.04 now has 3 NVIDIA drivers in restricted modules: nvidia-glx-legacy (1.0-7184) nvidia-glx (1.0-9631) #Last version to support Geforce 2 MX 400 amongst others nvidia-glx-new (1.0-9755) It would be nice to have the same 3 drivers

Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

On 5/4/07, Simon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear openSUSE developers/packagers Ubuntu 7.04 now has 3 NVIDIA drivers in restricted modules: nvidia-glx-legacy (1.0-7184) nvidia-glx (1.0-9631) #Last version to support Geforce 2 MX 400 amongst others nvidia-glx-new (1.0-9755) It would be ni

[opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

Dear openSUSE developers/packagers Ubuntu 7.04 now has 3 NVIDIA drivers in restricted modules: nvidia-glx-legacy (1.0-7184) nvidia-glx (1.0-9631) #Last version to support Geforce 2 MX 400 amongst others nvidia-glx-new (1.0-9755) It would be nice to have the same 3 drivers in the openSUSE 10.2