Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-28 Thread Michal Marek
Stevens wrote: I have always been amused by the fact that there are so many in the developer community that I refer to as brilliant but unstable (also highly educated idiots) Uh, pardon? We _do_ ship php4 with SUSE Linux 10.0, which is going be supported for about a year from now on. If you

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-28 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 14:07, Michal Marek wrote: What we don't support is running an obsolete php version on the newest SUSE Linux / OpenSUSE version, but I offer to provide unofficial builds via the Build Service (see my mail above) And as I said, I appreciate this. The post you're

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-25 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Saturday 25 November 2006 01:20, Cristian Rodriguez wrote: On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 02:21:51PM +, Kevin Donnelly wrote: I understand that, and of course we all like to have cutting-edge options available to us. PHP5 ain't cutting edge, it is stable since more than two years. I was

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-25 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Saturday 25 November 2006 00:26, Cristian Rodriguez wrote: A compelling web platform must run supported software. get this into your head **PHP4 is dead**. Terrifyingly, the headless body is still blundering around in webland, causing havoc. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but a compelling

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-25 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
Then presumably *no-one* using the main Linux distros will be able to design sites for customers using hosters still on PHP4 without a lot of needless hassle. migration to PHP5 for the large part of applications out there is very simple. I feel happy that I am in such august and universal

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-25 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
no, the answer is that PHP4 is obsolete, must not be used. Well, you better start sending emails right now to all those web-hosters who are still offering it. :-) Well, We are not webhosters, we produce an stable linux distribution, and as you can see, those who decide what suse contains,

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-25 Thread Stevens
On Saturday 25 November 2006 11:41, Cristian Rodriguez wrote: no, the answer is that PHP4 is obsolete, must not be used. Well, you better start sending emails right now to all those web-hosters who are still offering it. :-) Well, We are not webhosters, we produce an stable linux

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-25 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Saturday 25 November 2006 17:26, Cristian Rodriguez wrote: migration to PHP5 for the large part of applications out there is very simple. You're saying it's too much hassle for the distro to make a PHP4 package available, but simple for small developers to start one-off migrations of

[opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Kevin Donnelly
Do any packages of php4 exist for 10.1? The last comment I have seen on this was Pascal's of 10 June 2006, but his suggestion there of doing something on the build service hasn't been taken up, AFAICS. This means that 10.1 is not a compelling web-development platform - a huge number of

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Marcus Rueckert
On 2006-11-24 11:36:04 +, Kevin Donnelly wrote: Do any packages of php4 exist for 10.1? The last comment I have seen on this was Pascal's of 10 June 2006, but his suggestion there of doing something on the build service hasn't been taken up, AFAICS. This means that 10.1 is not a

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Flávio Moringa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, you just had to search a little harder... It's here: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.1-i386/RPMS.suser-scorot/ But you have to uninstall PHP5... Hope it helps... Marcus Rueckert escreveu: On 2006-11-24 11:36:04 +, Kevin Donnelly

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Friday 24 November 2006 14:11, Flávio Moringa wrote: you just had to search a little harder... It's here: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.1-i386/RPMS.suser-scorot/ Flávio, you're a gentleman! Thanks ever so much - I'm off to install now. On Friday 24 November 2006 13:23, Marcus

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 02:21:51PM +, Kevin Donnelly wrote: On Friday 24 November 2006 14:11, Flávio Moringa wrote: you just had to search a little harder... It's here: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.1-i386/RPMS.suser-scorot/ Flávio, you're a gentleman! Thanks ever so much -

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Friday 24 November 2006 14:27, Marcus Meissner wrote: Even php5 will soon be obsoleted by php6 by upstream PHP development. I understand that, and of course we all like to have cutting-edge options available to us. But let's stay in the real world, shall we? It took almost 2 years for

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Michal Marek
Marcus Rueckert wrote: On 2006-11-24 11:36:04 +, Kevin Donnelly wrote: cost-effective when running up smaller sites. Does anyone have any suggestions on a way around this (apart from compile it yourself!), or is the only answer to stay on 10.0 for work like this? no package had time

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Kevin Donnelly
Hi Michal On Friday 24 November 2006 15:20, Michal Marek wrote: The sad part of the story is that people who are able to compile it themselves don't seem to need php4, and people who need it aren't willing to do the packaging :( Yes, I suppose I could compile it (although it is sometimes not

Re : [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
Do any packages of php4 exist for 10.1? Nop, hopefully This means that 10.1 is not a compelling web-development platform A compelling web platform must run supported software. get this into your head **PHP4 is dead**. - a huge number of standard web-hosters are still using PHP4, sure, you

Re: [opensuse] PHP4 and 10.1

2006-11-24 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 02:21:51PM +, Marcus wrote: Even php5 will soon be obsoleted by php6 by upstream PHP development. yes, we will have php6 snapshots available very soon on the buildservice, at least for command line and fastcgi, apache2 module is not updated yet. first preview