Aaron Kulkis wrote:
ianseeks wrote:
I would prefer that items not installed have greyed-out
icons rather than just removing them. That would let any
knowledgeable administrator know that the item is available
and can be installed.
I was thinking of a set up for new users. Greyed out icons
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Dave Howorth wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
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So if I'm configuring say NFS from a YaST web page, what else might I
want to see on that page?:
There is already web based *NIX admin tool with webmin, but the IP on
the this tool is a little
There is already web based *NIX admin tool with webmin, but the IP on
the this tool is a little murky. (I think SCO as caldera are involved
somewhere here). Developing a web version for Yast might open some legal
issues if not handled correctly, and I do not think that a design team
would be
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Druid wrote:
There is already web based *NIX admin tool with webmin, but the IP on
the this tool is a little murky. (I think SCO as caldera are involved
somewhere here). Developing a web version for Yast might open some legal
issues if not handled
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 11/28/2007 Will Stephenson wrote:
KDE builds on Qt. KDE is Qt plus a bunch o'stuff, but you can still write
standalone Qt applications.
GNOME builds on GTK. GNOME is GTK plus a bunch o'stuff, but you can
still write standalone GTK applications.
Thanks for the
Billie Walsh wrote:
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 13:11, Billie Walsh wrote:
One point..., not everyone uses KDE so the solution needs to be
desktop neutral..
If I remember right, and I have to admit that sometimes my rememberer
doesn't work quite like it used
ianseeks wrote:
I would prefer that items not installed have greyed-out
icons rather than just removing them. That would let any
knowledgeable administrator know that the item is available
and can be installed.
I was thinking of a set up for new users. Greyed out icons would be more
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G T Smith wrote:
Druid wrote:
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news if it had happened and I think we would have noticed. There is a
lawyer trotting the world trying to get this done..
got distracted just before I sent it and did not finish sentence...
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Aaron Kulkis wrote:
and then another module. Then it would be a big annoyance to
be forced to keep re-executing YaST Control Center.
specially if one needs to enter root pass each time :-(
but I think the OT wants only the control center to desapear as long
as the module is active and
Firstly I am not talking about webmin itself, what I am talking about
who would be in situation to query the status of a YaST webmin-like tool
(and the purpose of such a query). Sometimes I think you need to get
your brain in gear before attacking the keyboard :-)
There are lots of tools
On Thursday 29 November 2007 11:47, Druid wrote:
What the?? My eyes almost jumped out of my face when I read this.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you know the
history of webmin? SCO are involved in somewhere? Wtf is that bizarre
non-sense fud? Are you taking drugs?
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 04:35:37PM +0100, Mike wrote:
On Thursday 29 November 2007 11:47, Druid wrote:
What the?? My eyes almost jumped out of my face when I read this.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you know the
history of webmin? SCO are involved in
You might want to look around before shooting your mouth off. Take a
look at this.. http://www.webmin.com/partners.html and notice that
Caldera was the first host of webmin. Clicking on the link takes you to
an SCO sponsored site. Isn't that amazing? I believe that the program
was still
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 09:14 +, G T Smith wrote:
There is already web based *NIX admin tool with webmin
Thank you. I'd forgotten all about webmin. I tried using it a while ago
and gave up for some reason. Probably because I discovered YaST :) I'll
give the current version a spin and see
On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Billie Walsh said:
I just knew I read somewhere that KDE went with QT and Gnome went with
something else. I sure as heck don't know a whole lot and I'm not sure I
understand half what I know. *[:oD I remember that in the first post of
this Second Try QT was
On 11/28/2007 Will Stephenson wrote:
KDE builds on Qt. KDE is Qt plus a bunch o'stuff, but you can still write
standalone Qt applications.
GNOME builds on GTK. GNOME is GTK plus a bunch o'stuff, but you can
still write standalone GTK applications.
Thanks for the explanation. That clarifies
Billie Walsh wrote:
Through both these new YaST threads I
have seen a lot of people that aren't happy with where things are. SO,
they could make their own menus and put things where they want. YaST
is just a container, much like a menu, that opens other
applications/modules to actually do
On 11/28/2007 Dave Howorth wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
Through both these new YaST threads I
have seen a lot of people that aren't happy with where things
are. SO,
they could make their own menus and put things where they want.
YaST
is just a container, much like a menu, that opens
ianseeks wrote:
I'm too tired to list all changes i was thinking about but here's a few ideas
to throw into the pot - maybe a bit old hat or MS centric - Could all the
main sections in the left column be Tabs?
We identified a number of problems with that old control center:
(1) There are
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Billie Walsh wrote:
On 26/11/2007, Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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You want a radical change. How about just adding everything to the KDE
menu system. Under YaST you would have each category. Under Software
a menu opens with
And I would also appreciate if all yast interfaces (qt, gtk, ncurses) had
the same functionality, behaviour, and approximate look. I understand you
only ask about qt interface now, but nevertheless, please consider that.
This is a big issue to me. The recent Gnomification of parts of YAST
and
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't really care about the icons, they are just eye candy. As far
as I'm concerned, text entries would be just as fine. But I understand
others think different, so they'll come with ideas.
How about a List/Details view of the icons, i.e. icons scaled to about
0.8cm next
G T Smith wrote:
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Billie Walsh wrote:
On 26/11/2007, Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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You want a radical change. How about just adding everything to the KDE
menu system. Under YaST you would have each category. Under
Russell Jones wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't really care about the icons, they are just eye candy. As far
as I'm concerned, text entries would be just as fine. But I
understand others think different, so they'll come with ideas.
How about a List/Details view of the icons, i.e. icons scaled
Jason Craig wrote:
Now I finally feel like participating in this thread...
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
We identified a number of problems with that old control center:
(1) There are too many icons in there - way more that can easily be
navigated.
(2) The groups don't always match users'
On 11/27/2007 G T Smith wrote:
One point..., not everyone uses KDE so the solution needs to be
desktop neutral..
If I remember right, and I have to admit that sometimes my rememberer
doesn't work quite like it used to, the request for suggestions was QT
specific. As I understand it, and I'm
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 13:11, Billie Walsh wrote:
One point..., not everyone uses KDE so the solution needs to be
desktop neutral..
If I remember right, and I have to admit that sometimes my rememberer
doesn't work quite like it used to, the request for suggestions was QT
specific. As
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The Tuesday 2007-11-27 at 10:03 +0100, Clayton wrote:
And I would also appreciate if all yast interfaces (qt, gtk, ncurses) had
the same functionality, behaviour, and approximate look. I understand you
only ask about qt interface now, but
This is a big issue to me. The recent Gnomification of parts of YAST
and the resulting totally different (parts of the) YAST user interface
in Gnome vs KDE was an issue I raised and was subsequently shot down.
There is a trick in a bugzilla to make the gnome version use the kde
version
Dňa Monday 26 November 2007 19:11:32 jdd ste napísal:
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
Rather, it was about
The YaST Control Center
in particular the Qt version.
I just read again the wiki page, including the survey and it's still
not completely clear what you want.
to be more precise,
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 15:50 +0100, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
Dňa Monday 26 November 2007 19:11:32 jdd ste napísal:
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
Rather, it was about
The YaST Control Center
in particular the Qt version.
I just read again the wiki page, including the survey
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can accept different external appearance, but the menus and all the
functionality must be basically the same.
this is extremely usefull, specially here (on the mailing list) or
when debugging through phone, one have to know only one setup :-))
jdd
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Aaron Kulkis wrote:
I would prefer that items not installed have greyed-out
icons rather than just removing them. That would let any
knowledgeable administrator know that the item is available
and can be installed.
Great idea.
--Jason
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Jason Craig wrote:
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
I would prefer that items not installed have greyed-out
icons rather than just removing them. That would let any
knowledgeable administrator know that the item is available
and can be installed.
Great idea.
Have it greyed out but allow a click on
I would prefer that items not installed have greyed-out
icons rather than just removing them. That would let any
knowledgeable administrator know that the item is available
and can be installed.
I was thinking of a set up for new users. Greyed out icons would be more
confusing and as
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 13:11, Billie Walsh wrote:
One point..., not everyone uses KDE so the solution needs to be
desktop neutral..
If I remember right, and I have to admit that sometimes my rememberer
doesn't work quite like it used to, the request
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The Tuesday 2007-11-27 at 14:53 +0100, Clayton wrote:
There is a trick in a bugzilla to make the gnome version use the kde
version of YOU. Ie, all YaST is gnome style, except YOU, which is pretty
unusable in gnome style. If you can't find it, I'll
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The Tuesday 2007-11-27 at 10:02 -, Russell Jones wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I don't really care about the icons, they are just eye candy. As far as
I'm concerned, text entries would be just as fine. But I understand others
think
After reading so many dozens of utterly off-topic posts in the first thread I
gave up.
The first thread was not meant to be about generic wishes about YaST and
related. It was not about a complete rewrite of everything. It was not about
what could be improved in various individual YaST
On Nov 26, 2007 11:20 AM, Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The YaST Control Center
in particular the Qt version.
This is the small, very basic, Qt-only (very little dependencies, in
particular not to the entire YaST engine) application that starts YaST
modules. Some people call
On Monday 26 November 2007 15:30, Gabriel . wrote:
I have just one little comment from my own experience. Apart of a new
redesign, which is really needed, I like to have the chance to
rearrange the items using my criteria. Do you think would be possible
to add this ability?
We are in the
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
After reading so many dozens of utterly off-topic posts in the first thread I
gave up.
Thanks for being so positive.
And THIS is what we want to change. THIS is what we want a radical new
approach (or, at minimum, a radical new look).
Instead of being angry at the
Philippe,
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 15:34 +0100, Philippe Landau wrote:
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
After reading so many dozens of utterly off-topic posts in the first thread
I
gave up.
Thanks for being so positive.
And THIS is what we want to change. THIS is what we want a radical new
On Monday 26 November 2007 15:34, Philippe Landau wrote:
A 'Thank you' for the many thoughtful posts so far would have been nice
too.
Sorry for not thanking the people who made me spend hours reading unrelated
stuff.
Thanks in advance to everybody who stays on topic in this thread.
CU
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Hi,
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
So please, let's start over and PLEASE let's focus on the topic. We think
community input is important. We think some of you out there might have a
really great idea how we could do this control center thingy better.
Since you are distracted to read all the posts
On Monday 26 November 2007 15:50, Stephan Hegel wrote:
grapics tablet and mouse should have it's own entry point in
the hardware section like printers and scanners.
That's one problem we have. On one hand, we'd like to consolidate modules with
similar tasks into one. This avoids cluttering the
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
On Monday 26 November 2007 15:50, Stephan Hegel wrote:
grapics tablet and mouse should have it's own entry point in
the hardware section like printers and scanners.
That's one problem we have. On one hand, we'd like to consolidate modules
with
similar tasks into
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The Monday 2007-11-26 at 15:20 +0100, Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
After reading so many dozens of utterly off-topic posts in the first thread I
gave up.
Sorry.
Perhaps your wording the first time was not clear enough, and perhaps if
you had
On 26/11/2007, Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So in the ideal case we would like to have a completely new approach.
This is what that radical change was all about.
Maybe there is a different way than just placing a lot of icons in a window
(with or without groups) and let the user
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
Rather, it was about
The YaST Control Center
in particular the Qt version.
I just read again the wiki page, including the survey and it's still
not completely clear what you want.
to be more precise, it's not clear what amount of work you are ready
to do in
Now I finally feel like participating in this thread...
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
We identified a number of problems with that old control center:
(1) There are too many icons in there - way more that can easily be navigated.
(2) The groups don't always match users' expectations.
(E.g.,
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Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
After reading so many dozens of utterly off-topic posts in the first thread I
gave up.
snip
Rather, it was about
The YaST Control Center
in particular the Qt version.
This is the small, very basic, Qt-only
I'm too tired to list all changes i was thinking about but here's a few ideas
to throw into the pot - maybe a bit old hat or MS centric - Could all the
main sections in the left column be Tabs?
We identified a number of problems with that old control center:
(1) There are too many icons
On 26/11/2007, Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So in the ideal case we would like to have a completely new approach.
This is what that radical change was all about.
You want a radical change. How about just adding everything to the KDE
menu system. Under YaST you would have each
Dear All,
Good day everyone. I am pretty much happy to see opensuse taking this
topic seriously. First of all, i am newbies on the block, i have try to
learn linux on my own but fail so many time due to complexity of linux
gui :( and most time need modified files instead using GUI interface.
Why
Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
After reading so many dozens of utterly off-topic posts in the first thread I
gave up.
The first thread was not meant to be about generic wishes about YaST and
related. It was not about a complete rewrite of everything. It was not about
what could be improved in
Aaron Kulkis skrev:
(3) It's hard for newbies to figure out what does what.
Unfortunately, there is no magical cure for a lack of knowledge
other than the person going out and obtaining that knowledge.
THANK YOU!
(5) It's not exactly pretty.
Who cares really, as long as it does what
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