Re: MVC/XML Framework Comments please

al Message- > > From: Jeff Schnitzer > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:38 PM > > To: Orion-Interest > > Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please > > > > > > I'm definitely interested in your framework; may I have a copy? > > > > Thank

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. As I say, our decision not to work this way has to do with our decision to go easy on the JSPs. Regards, Arved Sandstrom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Schnitzer Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:18 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject

RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please

Title: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please Thanks everyone. I will first say that I have asked a similar question in  2 newsgroups and another mail list. The Orion Mail list gave 10 times more input and 10 times higher quality than any other mail list. Here is what I plan to recommend

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We're struggling with struts in WebLogic (yuck) right now. Could we please get a copy of your framework? Very much appreciated... -Rich --- "Duffey, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use my own framework for a couple of sites, and have gotten feedback from > others using it as well. Its on

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Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: Re: MVC/XML Framework Comments please >Cory Updyke wrote: >> >> My issue with XML/XSL transformations is this: My theory for the >> presentation tier is to keep it as simple as possible. Occasio

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Cory Updyke wrote: > > My issue with XML/XSL transformations is this: My theory for the > presentation tier is to keep it as simple as possible. Occasionally, you > find a designer who has every right to be a engineer, but designs because > they enjoy it. This person will scoff(sp?) at the simpli

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> Is anyone here besides Tim using XSLT in their web application? I've been using XSLT for some time. I think a lot of the MVC dicussions show that people haven't yet hit on the right application model. MVC really works well in an environment with shared state... and ahred access to objects. The

Re: MVC/XML Framework Comments please

Title: MVC/XML Framework Comments please I would be interested in reviewing a copy of your mvc/xml framework.   Thanks - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin To: Orion-Interest Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments

RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please

How do you interface between Java and XML (jsp? building dom nodes in java? something else?) ? Thanks, Jeff > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Schnitzer > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:38 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please > > >

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l with entity beans. I still find myself tearing my hair out every now and then. Maybe this will change after another major revision or two... although at Sun's rate, that'll be 2010. Jeff > -Original Message- > From: Cory Updyke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Fr

RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please

I'm definitely interested in your framework; may I have a copy? Thanks, Jeff -Original Message- From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:39 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please I use my own framework for a c

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ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:12 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please Cheers for Cory! Ejb is THE way to do persistance. By using EJB's properly, we make use of all of Orion's resource handling capabilities...

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Behalf Of Cory Updyke Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 10:05 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please This may be off topic a little, but I am a little disheartened to see so many people disregarding EJB when considering a internet application framework. If you disrega

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This may be off topic a little, but I am a little disheartened to see so many people disregarding EJB when considering a internet application framework. If you disregard transactions (NotSupported), and follow a few simple patterns (see java.sun.com/j2ee) you basically are able to build a powerfu

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Hi, As we have also rolled our own solution, I'll just add my two cents. As Tim, we found that the existing frameworks didn't fit quite well into what we wanted to do, (that was even before Struts was created) and as we wanted to integrate other features... Following the Model 2-controller servle

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From: Tim Endres Sent: Thu 4/26/2001 5:30 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: Subject: RE: MVC/XML Framework Comments please > It sounds like Tim has a homebrew system for going directly from Logic > to Presentation.

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We rolled our own servlet for this. I found none of the existing frameworks to properly address what we needed. It is not a complicated thing to write. An XML config file specifies the commands that get executed for any given pathinfo. The command is tied to an XSL stylesheet, which processes the

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> It sounds like Tim has a homebrew system for going directly from Logic > to Presentation. My team has been thinking of eventually writing a > wrapper to expose JavaBeans (the model) as a DOM using reflection so you > could still have a pull-based system rather than having to build the > full tr

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Your message is very timely, because I'm currently doing the same sort of research. I wrote my site ( www.similarity.com , an amusing basement project) using Rickard Oberg's WebWork MVC framework to produce HTML directly, but now my team and I are exploring more sophis

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Title: MVC/XML Framework Comments please I use my own framework for a couple of sites, and have gotten feedback from others using it as well. Its only 15K in size, full source, its free to use, modify, etc. If your interested in it, send me an email. It supports xsl transformations, and is v

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Tim, that sounds v.interesting. Forgive my ignorance but what toolkit are you using and what do you mean by "precompile the XSL pages"? Thanks, Trevor On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Tim Endres wrote: > We do exactly what you propose. A servlet drives lightweight commands. The > commands get XML trees c

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Title: MVC/XML Framework Comments please Vic,   You've made so many early decisions that make any later decisions fait accompli. But here goes my comments.   The most significant issue you can have is performance and portability. That is, can you easily make changes without breaking the syst

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We do exactly what you propose. A servlet drives lightweight commands. The commands get XML trees containing the HttpServletRequest information, and fill in a subtree with the XML results. This tree is fed into XSLT and the resulting HTML is sent down the wire. I prefer it over JSP by miles. We pr