Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Christine, Michael-- I know that in the hours, days and weeks after September 11, it always lifted my spirits to come to the OSList and find a different voice that I was hearing in the news media--a voice that spoke of hope and unity rather than fear and enemies. The connection between us is a

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
not at all, therese... i sit here as the one non-tech community tech volunteer guy who gets to see what 400 people will think up and bounce around in conversation for changes to things that i am often sole caretaker for... i set up a little website once, and then when everybody got talking the nex

Re: delete function

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
as said before not meaning to be unkind. perhaps my views are formed a bit quicker than some here because i spend more hours than i dare count working on os tech things. as i say, i considered the delete function a couple weeks ago, when the issue first arose. i never meant and don't recall to say

Tone

2004-04-01 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
Dear Michael h, I have always felt very comfortable with your communications. Quick, when I have a request, like putting in the new hungarian website a couple of days ago (thanks) without telling me "why the hell dont you get your act together and learn how to do it yourself". Clear, when there are

Re: Multiple closing circles

2004-04-01 Thread Nicolai
Hi, I do not really feel able to give an advice. - ButI'd reflect about the role, you want your pastor to perform (wil he be the shepherd, who leads some lost sheeps, or do the members of the community rather look for somebody, who is able to accompany, because they are not that lost? Or..?) You re

Re: delete function

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
here's another idea, therese... i've just been going through the users, owner and manager manuals... and i find no mention of users deleting their own posts, except with their delete key right before sending! they actually do talk about that, in so many words. i do find that list owners can dele

one last thought on power, oslist, and open space

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
it occurs to me that it might just be relevant to tell one more story here... about how i came to be in the spot i'm in with the oslist, what birgitt calls a position of power, and what others might be wondering about too. so this is how this has happened... first, as i've mentioned, i thought w

Mindsets

2004-04-01 Thread Carlos Garcia Timon
Hi all, What do you think about the way living systems organise the tacit knowledge?. It´s very interesting Don Beck´s Spiral Dynamics and I can see a relationship between how a collective organism encode cognitive knowledge and its mindset. Of course, system aspects like facilitators can overc

Can we be space invaders ??

2004-04-01 Thread Gerard Muller
In one of the Open Spaces I facilitated seven years ago I featured as a space invader. It took me a long time to begin to look at it that way, so here it is. The client was a national association, the issue an internal conflict - basically concerning the interface between the national Board of the

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread chris weaver
Dear OSLIST Community, I am enthralled. This thread is connecting deeply with my intellectual and emotional passion. Both the specific list-related issues at hand and the window into deeper learning are important to me. I notice as well how much I care about the people who are posting, and how

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Erich Kolenaty
I agree with your thoughtful and heartful contribution. Thank you Chris Erich - Original Message - From: chris weaver To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain Dear OSLIST Community, I

baskets, containers, sponsorship, & the quality of the space

2004-04-01 Thread chris weaver
(This is a re-send of my previous post (Open Space/Open List...) with a new subject-line for easier tracking - thank you.) Dear OSLIST Community, I am enthralled. This thread is connecting deeply with my intellectual and emotional passion. Both the specific list-related issues at hand and the w

Re: Can we be space invaders ??

2004-04-01 Thread Harrison Owen
I guess I see your action less as "invading the space" than as "opening the space." The significant thing to me is that you posed a question ("What is the most important topic we have forgotten?"). In my experience, questions open space. Statements close it. We see this happening every time we open

Re: oslist core purpose & the exchange of "ideas"

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
sorry to miss answering this. as i said from the start, i can't turn anything on and off. i have to ask somebody else to do that and i don't want to bother the boise state folks going back and forth with things. also, i have built a few pages and links around the change. so, no, i don't want to

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Ashley Cooper
dear all participating in this discussion, i have set up a page at www.openspaceworld.net that is titled the OSlistserv Givens, http://www.openspaceworld.org/network/wiki.cgi?OSlistGivens .as that site is a wiki, it seems like a conducive environment for a group of this size to collectively creat

Those amazing archives...

2004-04-01 Thread Lisa
Hello, all - I just want to share how much I appreciate the archives and how I have used the archives to help others interested in learning about Open Space, while at the same time being able to illustrate that there are many voices and experiences from around this little globe of ours. (By the w

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Ashley Cooper
(attempt #2, the first one didn't go through) dear all participating in this discussion, i have set up a page at www.openspaceworld.net that is titled the OSlistserv Givens, http://www.openspaceworld.org/network/wiki.cgi?OSlistGivens .as that site is a wiki, it seems like a conducive environment

Multiple closing circles

2004-04-01 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Michael-- Yes, I agree an all-congregation retreat makes sense--and I think we are headed that direction. Could you say a little more how you see this "keeping on" working in the situation of Pastor and congregation "interviewing" each other? Thanks, Michael! :-Dou

Multiple closing circles

2004-04-01 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Nicolai-- Wonderful ideas, 1. having the Pastor suggest a procedure, and 2. asking about role and process! Thank you, Nicolai! :-Doug. * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To su

Re: baskets, containers, sponsorship, & the quality of the space

2004-04-01 Thread Harrison Owen
Chris W. Wrote: "What DOES matter to me very much (as you can tell) is the quality of the space. I hope that the list remains a space that moves toward wholeness, which is impossible if the space is not wide open to vulnerability and passion. A space where a person can plop down on the sidewalk,

Re: Can we be space invaders ??

2004-04-01 Thread denzil meyers
On Apr 1, 2004, at 2:46 AM, Gerard Muller wrote: So what is your guestimate as to why invading the space was the only thing this facilitator could do ? it was your authentic response to trying to help * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.ed

Re: Multiple closing circles

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
oh, yes... i forgot to say... just do the event when you get your next best candidate lined up and if he/she bails, too, then do it again... keep the place moving and invite the new pastor into the flow. in peoria, the new schools superintendent came to a big os meeting on future of education

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Ilse Debler
Dear all I feel very honoured to witness what is going on about a topic so amazing that it's endless depth is shining through. I've been rollercoasting with every single response, watching others and my own reactions and reflections again and again sparkle like yet another facet of a huge cosmic d

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Seamus Mcinerney
I am not sure that [delete] is the same as the law of two feet. Deleting a message erases it from the record, creating the impression that it never happened but does not mean that the absence of learning or contribution is occuring. A session participant cannot request his or her contributions to b

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Harrison Owen
Just for the record -- I was talking about your own, personal DELETE BUTTON. What you choose to do with that is what you choose to do. On the other hand, if you choose to "unsubscribe" -- I call that exercising the two feet (Law or not). ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Harrison Owen
When a word "wants to be written" there is not too much you can do. I know. I have written a few -- and very few that I regret. Although some may have benefited from "further thought" :-) ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www

Re: Butterfly effect

2004-04-01 Thread BJ Peters
Joelle-- How beautiful and touching. Thank you! --BJ On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 09:54 PM, Joelle Lyons Everett wrote: The Butterfly Effect They say the flip of a butterfly wing in Peking can change the weather in New York.  I don't know about New York City, but your kiss, light on my lips as

Multiple closing circles

2004-04-01 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Michael-- Would you ask the same two questions all over, or something different, when we "do the event?" To start to answer my own question, it seems to me we have to have something to work on, like how can we get from where we are to where we want to be 5 years from now.

Re: Multiple closing circles

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
i guess i'd write a bit of a summary of the top issues or clusters or themes and then ask what might be done now, together on these and any/everyting else that was raised in the circle that day. run it by some others to see if you got it as they did... blend the answers. hit send and cirlce the

Re: Open Space / Open List / The Public Domain

2004-04-01 Thread Therese Fitzpatrick
I understood, Harrison, that you were talking about our individual delete buttons.  I thought I was in an open space and that I was free to freely associate your words with my thoughts and move on to new thoughts.  That's how I came to pose the question:  would it be possible to put a delete funct

Hierarchies, decision making and a real-life example

2004-04-01 Thread Peggy Holman
I am so tickled! I have been away from the list for a month and as a result read about 200 messages in one sitting. Perhaps because of this concentration, I noticed something that excites me. The thread on hierachy was moving into a discussion of the occurence of hierarchies in nature. The f

Fw: [searchnet] Call for Articles

2004-04-01 Thread Peggy Holman
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wholeness and action in the pot of community

2004-04-01 Thread Michael Herman
dearest birgitt, i have been with you here, in this big circle, for something like eight years now. i've learned from you and with you. i would like nothing more than for you to feel comfortable and happy and whole with the way this list is, with what this community is, and how it works as a li