Dear Michael,
Thank you for posting this message. I never knew Colin, and visited his
Web site referred to a few days ago by Chris Corrigan (I think); I learnt
quite a lot from it. Yesterday, I also visited the map referred to below,
and the site where messages were posted after his passing away wa
Esther,
After filling, analyzing, making action plans etc. in innumerable "opinion
surveys", I believe that a crucial set of questions would be around
relationships & trust - starting with employees and their immediate
manager, and going onto external & internal customers. A second set of
questions
Douglas D. Germann, Sr. <76066@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>Medicines: My wife has a whole pharmacy in the cabinet. Will it be
>necessary for her to carry the actual written prescriptions from her
>doctors with the medicines? Should she carry the original pharmacy
bottles, or can she safely transf
Raffi Aftandelian wrote:
>I am not sure Paul that I would want to join your conversation with
>Masud on "muslims" in Halifax (as intrigued as I am by it). I am not sure
>it will go anywhere.
It is unlikely that I will join such a conversation myself, Raffi. I do
not look at Muslims as being diff
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:13:27 EDT, everett...@aol.com wrote:
> Studying history can be instructive.
>Sincerely,
>Paul
Yes, I am sure it can Paul.
I usually have a problem with studying history, since what gets reported
depends not as much on the facts, as perceptions about the facts. The most
recen
Dear Paul,
I was deeply disappointed to see Friedman's piece, and even more
disappointed to see your support of it. I am afraid that the "Clash of
Civilizations" (which is perhaps more a "Clash of haves and have nots")
started with 9/11 & 911 (you can have your pick of the perceptions).
Bush's resp
Gabriela Ender wrote:
>In the middle of this "peaceful" silence ... news about terror in London
>arrived today.
>
>In deep sadness I am sending Love & Peace to London and warmest regards to
>our colleagues in the UK.
>
>Warmly,
>Gabriela
>
Ah yes, the sadness - the profound sadness.
Not too long
Katharine Armstrong <4pang...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>There's room for another change process, truly, Harrison. ;-)
>
>Appreciatively,
>Kate
I couldn't agree more.
And good for you Kate, to have said "Appreciatively" rather than, for
instance, "Openly" or "In freedom". I had an email exchange wit
Raffi Aftandelian wrote:
>If OST is in part about high play, might it be appropriate to call OST
>a Large Group Intervention Toy?
>
>Raffi
>charter member, founder
>Society for Constructive Obnoxiousness
>
>p.s. anyone else wanna join?
>
As you may know Raffi, in Pakistan some people can appoint
Dear Paul,
I do not know the genesis of this tribunal, but I expect that you do know
that an International Criminal Court (ICC) is already in existence. The
only major country opposing it is U.S.A. If this tribunal makes any impact
on changing U.S. policy towards ICC, it would have been a worthwhil
Some weeks ago I had promised to write more about what have I learnt from
OS.
I have participated in a few OS programs spread over a few hours (less than
half a day).
I participated in one multi-day OS program, which was part of the annual
conference of SoL (Peter Senge's initiated Society for Or
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:24:08 +0300, Funda Oral wrote:
Merhaba Funda, mabruk (is mabruk the correct word here?)
The three years (1989-92) I lived in Istanbul were fascinating. This was
as much for the city itself as the wonderful country (both for its scenic
diversity, and its people) in which you
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:08:42 -0400, Douglas D. Germann, Sr. wrote:
>Masud--
>
>U, I missed the doubting Thomas version of the principle about people.
>Would you kindly bring me up to date, Masud?
>
> :-Doug.
> Who needs to be heard?
>
Dear all,
There is something I wish to share with you:
A couple of weeks ago, I invited some friends for dinner. At the end of the
dinner, I suggested a topic for conversation, and to channel the
conversation, used a modified process to what I had seen used for Scott
Peck's "Community Building Wo
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:11:07 -0400, Douglas D. Germann, Sr. wrote:
>Thanks, Masud for this expansion of space.
>
>Do you see "transformation/al" as an oxymoron, too? In what way?
>
> :-Doug.
> Who needs to be heard?
I don't know if it is an
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:41:50 EDT, everett...@aol.com wrote:
>> what do you do with completely close-minded
>> individuals who won't even consider anything but sucking the energy out
of other individuals for their own gain??
>>
>Judy,
>
>Peter Block advises that we 'name the behavior' to the person,
Good to hear from you Judy,
When talking of animals, the parable that often comes to my mind is the
one about the "boiling frog". For those who may not have heard it, here it
is:
When you try and put a frog into water that it is already boiling, the
frog jumps out. When the frog is put into water
On Fri, 27 May 2005 06:31:09 -0600, Masud Sheikh
wrote:
>Where another sees the "whole system", I see a "holed system"
>Together, we may be able see the simplicity at the other side of
>complexity.
>Masud
>
While Doug Germann was kind enough to say that the abo
On Sun, 29 May 2005 07:27:40 -0600, Masud Sheikh:
>It is a sad fact of life that one cannot treat all humans as "Thou" all of
>the time. I guess it is good enough if we can treat most humans as "Thou"
>some of the time.
>
And on May 31st, Masud added:
The questio
I am sitting at my desk drinking red wine, and eating wasabi nuts (got them
from Toronto Chinatown). Anyone who thinks that Pakistani cuisine (also
called 'Indian", even though the original "Indians" did not eat meat. The
barbecue stuff that you guys like, only came to India after the Mughals
invad
Ralph Copleman wrote:
> On some level, though, I think my trip will be about a search for
> community in America, this troubled, deeply divided, seductive Gargantua
> of a country I love, and which has broken my heart so often of late.
Ralph,
Thank you for this personal and moving note. 'Breakin
s to serve one's purpose
>
>Always seeking the self-serving advantage -- I would like to think that I
operated within the primary definitions. :-)
>
>Harrison
> - Original Message -
> From: Masud Sheikh
> To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
> Sent: Sunday, May
Harrison Owen wrote:
>Masud -- the word "manipulative" is a curious one. In the circles that
you and I usually move in -- it is a "bad word." But if I go to a
chiropractor or a therapeutic massage person -- and am not "manipulated" I
should be very unhappy. I think the significant issue is not t
Hypothetical questions make you reflect
Questions from children are mostly hypothetical
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Thank you Harrison,
I understand and accept what you are saying - that your client is the
organization, and that some people may need to move on. I am glad that you
did not use the word "caring" in this note. In the example you gave, I
suppose the facilitators and sponsors did not know the reasons
Harrison Owen wrote:
The ticket of admission is CARE -- Careing for The Question. And of
course, those who care (enough) will be there -- which is why in my
experience -- whoever comes are the right people. No ifs, ands, or buts.
>
This of course is making the HUGE ASSUMPTION that the host CARED
Where another sees the "whole system", I see a "holed system"
Together, we may be able see the simplicity at the other side of
complexity.
Masud
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Therese Fitzpatrick wrote:
>The principle "whoever comes are the right people" is, for me, the
>most important principle in open space. And beyond open space, I
>believe it is an essential principle for the solutions to intractable
>human problems to emerge.
Therese, I understand what you are sa
That's OK, OH
As long as you don't insist that there is only one "flavour" - and accept
that doubting Thomas who went to Goa, had as much (OK, perhaps not
exactly "as much", perhaps more, maybe less) value as Peter, who went to
Rome.
But it was wonderful, the way your words "blinding flash of the
Harrison Owen wrote:
>Actually, I don't think it is as much of an "assumption" as a blinding
flash of the obvious. Those who came are the only ones there! And the
reason they are there is that they cared enough to come. That does not
make all those who didn't come bad, immoral, or terrible -- but
Pat Black wrote:
>I would say that the unstated assumptions of the OS network are the same
as any other network that includes living beings and in this case humans
and they are:
>That humans are self revealing in all their actions and communications.
>pat
Thank you Pat, but is that all?
The point
Temperamentally, I am something of a heretic (what Tom Watson Jr. of IBM
used to call a "wild duck"), and often have unresolved questions on my mind.
Here is the background to the questions I am going to ask now. Last year, I
wrote an article (named "Journeying as a Systems Thinker) for Shambhala
I
0400, Harrison Owen wrote:
> One of the interesting things to me is that over the years people of a
> broad range of traditions (Buddhist, Hindi, Islam (at least the Sufi
> version), Judaism, Christianity, Taoism, Native American - to name a
> few) have remarked on the similarities between what h
Harrison,
I guess I just have to meet with you, and the best way to do that seems to
be to come to OSonOS in Halifax - AND it is an opportunity to meet so many
of you who are planning to come, and experience the opening of space. My
experience with OS (limited though it is) until now has not been
i
Cheryl Honey wrote:
>Where can I learn more about Scott Peck's approach to "Community
>Building"?
>Cheryl Honey, Community Weaver
Here are two Web sites, Honey:
http://www.communityx-roads.com/index.html
http://www.fce-community.org/index.php
And please do read some of Scotty's books. The one t
Dear Glory,
Thank you for sharing this wonderful story. Is Avalon the name of your
daugther, and is this story behind the name "Edge of Avalon"?
With love
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Michael Herman wrote:
>more and more we are in this open appreciative cafe world inquiry
>space.
Michael & other friends:
Has anyone thought of putting M. Scott Peck's "Community Building" process
into the muddle in the middle? In which case, it could become:
"Open appreciatve community cafe wor
Ah yes, when broadband is really cheap (across geographical boundaries)
and handhelds would have the power of desktops, the thing to do would be
to drop in to Budapest, Paris or Berlin from my home in Oakville, which is
a suburb of Toronto.
And "Paris, France" reminds me of our early days in Canad
On another thread, I wrote that OS evokes the following thought in
me 'That it a way to peace, where we submit to the power of self-
organizing'.
That does not make a facilitator into God, but if humans are vice-regents
of God on Earth, then the ideal facilitator tries to develop as many
attribute
Thank you for having taken the time and effort to write, Pat
As soon as I hit SEND, I regretted having said "I don't understand women"
when as you say, I was really talking about Therese. I even thought of
sending a correction, but finally did not do so.
And you are absolutely right about being th
WARNING: The poster of this note will use the law of two feet and walk
away immediately after posting this note. (And who can quibble with laws,
even if they are followed only in the letter, and not in the spirit?)
Anyone feeling angry would only be in a one-sided conflict - it will feel
like tilt
Harrison Owen wrote:
>My Inbox is a rich source of adventure. This little note from a CEO for
>example: "XXX Inc. has a highly skilled team of ~100 people doing great
>work
[SNIP]
> Basically I'm looking for techniques, methods, tools, and or simple ways
> to create an open environment of trust w
think you read way too much into this as you were
obviously waiting for a baited response from her.
>
>Just my 2 cents worth...
>
>Judy Spady
> - Original Message -
> From: Masud Sheikh
> To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:28 AM
Dear all,
In the interest of expanding my "NOW", I request a favour/favor (being
Canadian, I can use both spellings):
Yesterday, I had a conflict with Therese Fitzpatrick, when I posted the
following note:
">Funda, such an event would not be negative...it could be wonderful and
life affirming.
Thank you Tolga, Lisa and Therese for your responses
- Thanks also to anyone else who may respond subsequently
Lisa, in response to your question about my participation in OSonOS in
Halifax: I am still not sure, so have not yet booked.
Take care, all of you
Masud
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:01:01 -0700, Therese Fitzpatrick
>Funda, such an event would not be negative. .. it could be wonderful
>and life affirming. And it could unleash new, positive initiatives in
>the world.
Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
"Would not be negative." - Is that not highl
john engle wrote:
>or maybe those who couldn't come were:
[Spaces]
>and while many among these seven categories might overlap, i'm sure that
>others on this list could come up with other categories of people who
>don't have the luxury of "caring" for anything beyond survival in the
>moment.
I am
Dear Lisa and other friends,
I am posting some information on Dr. Akhtar Hameed Khan and Muhammad Yunus.
Lisa, please feel free to write to me off list, in case you wish to continue
this conversation. It may not be of general interest to the list.
Dr. Akhtar Hameed Khan joined the Indian Civi
Do we need to use "right" or "appropriate" for people?
If we say "whatever happened is the only thing that could have happened"
(if I remember the words correctly) why can we not also say;
"Whoever came are the only people who could have come"
Masud
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:28:45 -0700, Elwin and J
Dear Lisa,
This is wonderful. I was particularly struck by the comment:
"It use was pioneered in developing countries and has led to sustainable
improvements in seemingly intractable organizational and social issues."
Two examples immediately came to mind: Mohammad Younus in Bangladesh on
micro-cr
While I shall ("Insha-Allah", with a request for forgiveness to those who
may be sick of such words) write a longer note later, something I have
learnt about OS is that it is a "Way to peace, by submitting to the power
of self-organizing"
On another thread, I noticed the conversation about "Presen
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Harrison Owen wrote:
>Masud -- I know the devil made me do it -- but when I saw your words, "For
>instance, do we give more respect to "non-living" weapons systems or to
>living "human systems"?" -- I found myself answering, "Human Systems, of
>course, at least usually -- but what happens when the
Esther Ewing wrote:
>
>Masud:
> I would say that what happens on TV and the behind-the-scenes
> interactions people producing the shows is evidence of a system in
> action.
[SNIP]
>So I would hesitate to categorize TV or other media as a non-living
system.
>
Quite right Esther,
The larger media sys
Filiz Telek wrote:
>Masud,
>
>I guess you are referring TV as non-living in the physical sense...well,
>doesn't it all depend on how we define living versus non-living? :)
>Maybe I am taking your comment too literally...but here are some quotes
>that might be interesting...
>
Thank you for the quot
Hi Ralph,
Perhaps I understand what you are saying, but am not sure, so let me ask a
question. Is there need to differentiate between a TV and a human? They
are both systems, and I categorize TV as a 'non-living' system.
Take care
Masud
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:39:03 -0500, Ralph Copleman
wrote:
ith increase in its Spanish speaking population - to which
debate, of course there are is more than one side
Masud Sheikh
Harrison Owen wrote:
>Masud
>
>I see where you are going, but would suggest that the real issue is what I
>might call "degrees of freedom" -- or maybe
HO wrote:
"Or put rather bluntly - there is no such thing as a non-self-organizing
system. There are only some mildly deluded folks who think they did the
organizing. Outrageous for sure, and possibly a break with reality, but that
is pretty much where I found myself."
I believe the statement "the
ation, the U.S. has made many mistakes. All we
seek is to share our liberty. I look forward to future discussions with
you.
Steve Gawron
- Original Message -
From: "Masud Sheikh"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: FW: Open Space & Anti-Americanism
&g
rting the truth of this path is the best way that
they can participate in this process."
He sounds like a re-incarnated founding father of America.
Take care,
Masud Sheikh
The world will be saved by individuals of integrity freely joining together
- Buckminster Fuller
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F
spot of the world might be good candidates.
My apologies for these "helicopter-view" pronouncements. It is both a
strength and a weakness in me
Best wishes for the event
Masud Sheikh
Oakville, Ontario
(Until five years ago, in Pakistan)
The world will be saved by individuals of integr
loved ones
And best wishes to the community on this listserv
With love and prayers
Masud Sheikh
There is something called learning at a rather small level of organisation.
At a much higher gestalt level, learning is called evoluti
Dear all,
I attended the summer program of the Shambhala Institute of Authentic
Leadership (Halifax, Nova Scotia) in 2003.
I enjoyed and appreciated it. They have offered an additional "alumni
referral" discount.
I am forwarding the note about it. If someone is genuinely interested, and
has addi
A true ideologue (religious or secular) cannot be true learner. A time may
come when future generations will cycle back from an excess of muddling
through. Put another way, we may get to "simplicity the other side of
complexity", but we are not there today.
Masud Sheikh
Those who elect
A comment on Peter Senge and Systems Thinking.
Peter's initial interest in Systems Thinking started because he studied
Systems Dynamics (SD) with Jay Forrester at MIT. And certainly, the
emphasis in the Fifth Discipline is on SD. In his subsequent books, and
certainly his articles, one sees a defin
e of these sites. Please feel
free to respond on-list or off-list, depending on your preference, and
the value our conversation might have for others.
Take care
Masud Sheikh
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Esther
.
Sent: March 1, 2004 9:06
s of the circle,
the MUCH LARGER part has to do with the process of circle formation,
i.e. who has the visibility to be invited into the circle?
In terms of markets, who gets to play in the market?
Masud Sheikh
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Beha
ers' in open space, what happens
to the vulnerable, many of whom would stay out of the 'space'?
Masud Sheikh
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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of
Michael Herman
Sent: February 26, 2004 4:45 PM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
S
To my way of thinking, the main value (as with so many other
instruments) is the self-awareness it brings - and the opportunity to
balance personal weaknesses.
When I undertook the questionnaire myself for the first time, one role
came out quite clearly for me. When I did this again many months lat
I have used it for forming teams in training programs.
Too many 'shapers' in one team, for instance, can be disastrous.
I have not used it for teams in longer running projects. I guess the
people in longer projects found other means for team-building, such as
spending time in the 'pub' together
Ma
I have used Belbin. It was used quite regularly in IBM Europe at one
time. Don't know if it is still being used, since I no longer work
there.
Masud Sheikh
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1-905-338-9583
Ontario, Canada
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